Is there no way to make this country love the Tories again?

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In 2019 it looked like it was going to be the Tory decade (2020s) and Boris would have at least 10 years to run the country, Tory mania was at its peak. It's astonishing how much 3 years have changed the whole countries unquestioning love of the Conservative Party.

Is it over? Can they win back the hearts of the public? If so, how? Surely Truss would have to go.

AIBU - yes the country we'll doff our caps and tug our forelocks again once we're in the voting booth

AINBO - they're fucked

They've shown us who they are.

I never loved the tories. Were always bound to ruin the country and fuck the poor whilst helping their rich mates.

Conservatives are supposed to conserve.

This lot just wanna burn everything down.

I’ll answer this as someone who grew up in a Tory household, and it probably slightly more to the right of the centre - though I have actually never voted Tory. I have always voted Lib Dem, but in each election I’d generally felt it was a choice between Lib Dem and Tory, Labour never quite spoke to me (though the Centrists that left the party a few years ago would have probably won me over).

What the Tory government have done to this country, particularly over the past 5 years, have left me finally understanding why my Dad, who policed through the Winter of Discontent, feels he might never vote Labour. They have shafted everything and everyone and it will take a very, very long time before I would ever be willing to consider them a “different” enough party to even think about voting for them.

I hope they stay out of power until I’m dead - I reckon I might get another 20 years.

Liz is that you?

It's astonishing how much 3 years have changed the whole countries unquestioning love of the Conservative Party.

Just to clarify, you're talking about England, right, and not the whole of the UK?

I hope they're consigned to oblivion for a very long time

Most people do not vote conservative.

COVID, world recession and consequent cost of living crisis are not problems solely to be laid at the door of our current government. Their current nonsense doesn’t necessarily inspire confidence. As a life-long Labour voter I’m not convinced they could make a better fist of the economy than the Conservatives are, given their history of truly fucking things up in the past. “There’s no money left” ring a bell at all? Rock and a hard place

It’s amazing to think that Cameron decided to have the Brexit referendum to try and unite the party by appeasing the noisy fringe, and to finally put all that talk of leaving the EU to bed.

Instead, we end up leaving the EU and almost every single serious politician gets forced out of the party (for refusing to behave like reckless populists) leaving us with a coalition of the stupid and/or self-interested.

I don't think it was ever unquestioning love. Boris was elected by about 14 million people (the UK population is about 65 million and I think about 40 million are adults).

Boris got 43.6% of the vote in the 2019 election. If we assume Liz Truss would get 23% (which is not unreasonable given recent opinion polls), then this would be about 7 million votes. So all that really happened is about 10% of the population changed their mind about who they'd vote for.

First past the post is a very good way of making a reasonable number of votes look like a landslide. The tories were never universally popular to begin with. For further reference, Tony Blair in 2001 got about 30 seats more than Boris in 2019 AFTER Labour had been in power for 5 years . That's what real popularity looks like.

I have never voted Tory and never, ever will but this lot seem to have introduced a whole new generation to what we knew of that party in the 80s - that they are self-serving and privileged and care for no-one that won't give them advantage over others. We never were "all in this together". Cameron and his cronies were the acceptable face that opened the door to what we've had for the last 5 years.

The 4 people I know who admit they voted for them in 2019 did it because, given Boris wanted the Brexit debacle so badly, they thought he could bloody well finish it off.

I doubt they’ll win the next GE (although things can change) but whether they can come back depends on what Labour do with the win. If people expect Blair like years but it’s more like their bad years it could impact them too.

Whoever is in will face difficulties - unless the war ends in that time then things could change quite quickly.

The whole countries unquestioning love of the Conservative Party.

I have no recollection of that at all 🤔* *

“There’s no money left” ring a bell at all?

Old Treasury joke started by Tory outgoing chancellor Reginald Maudling in 1964. His note said “Sorry to leave it in such a mess, old cock”.

I'd personally like to think they have dug themselves a deep enough pool to drown in!

@BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted I am quite shocked that a lifelong Labour voter would think they couldn't do better when history has shown that the economy has always been in better hands with Labour than the Tories. www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/new-research-reveals-labour-is-better-at-handling-the-economy-than-the-conservatives-295748/

I'm 63, and I've voted Conservative all my life. Never again. This shitshow is embarrassing and they have fucked us all up beyond belief

We don't have an economy left. The Conservatives have wrecked it through their arrogance, their incompetence and corruption. We are so much weaker as a nation because of the Conservative Party.

And we still have to sort out Brexit and negotiate other trade deals.

I knew it would be bad when the Tories won the last election, I was devastated. I never in my wildest dreams thought it would be this bad though. Please tell me people have learnt their lesson now.

I really really hope there is not.

They'll still win no matter how bad things get. The thing is a lot of people would rather everyone (barring an elite few) have absolutely nothing than a group of people seemingly appear to have something. All the tories need to do to maintain their power is to wheel out something about immigrants using up too many NHS resources and it matters diddly squat that the price of butter is £5.

Have you seen the polls?