Is there no way to make this country love the Tories again?

[User135644]

In 2019 it looked like it was going to be the Tory decade (2020s) and Boris would have at least 10 years to run the country, Tory mania was at its peak. It's astonishing how much 3 years have changed the whole countries unquestioning love of the Conservative Party.

Is it over? Can they win back the hearts of the public? If so, how? Surely Truss would have to go.

AIBU - yes the country we'll doff our caps and tug our forelocks again once we're in the voting booth

AINBO - they're fucked

A quote from the former governor of the Bank of England:

Bloody foreign, remoaner, metropolitan elite, anti-growth, flag hating, won't like every 70s-80s Childhood Meme you post because they are bollocks, immigrant loving, EU loving, gravy train riding, University of life hater !

I sincerely hope, when they finally are booted out, that they are never in power again. Though I'd settle for a generation as I'll be almost dead by then (if extreme poverty caused by this bunch of miscreants doesn't get me first). And those bleating about the Lib Dems might like to think back to the turncoat bromance performance in the rose garden and their austerity enabling ways. They've also got quiet blood on their hands for their Tory support; ideologically Liberals used to be far closer to Labour. Until that self satisfied Cleggbot got himself some voice training and a sharp suit.

I don't think Labour are perfect by any means but those who are finally waking up to just how bad the Tories are - welcome, finally, to the world the rest of us have seen fir decades.

Chip in if I have missed any ?

Won't be long until the cap doffers vote them back in.

Avrenim · Today 21:44
ideologically Liberals used to be far closer to Labour.

The National Liberals merged with the Conservative party, and the Liberal party in the past have formed pacts with the Conservatives in some constituencies (to defeat Labour candidates), they have never formed such pacts with Labour.

Come the the election, the Daily Mail will be out full force, supporting the Tories with a bit of 'out' group hatred and the Brexit loving voters will be crawling across hot coals to vote Tory.

Tories have never had a unconditional love from English voters.

FPTP voting keeps them on power. I'm not sure they've ever had the most votes nationally?

This is why Labour want PR voting.

This would very likely keep them in power for a very long time and historically would have benefitted them too.

So for me the question is really is what side of centre votes enough to make the change from FPTP to PR.

It's like brexit. The country is split and it's whatever side has a marginal gain that wins.

I think we are quite a centrist country really and this current government are far far too right but win because Corbyn was far far too left. (Nationally speaking on voting records)

Starmer is much more centric which is many ways Johnson was too - which is why I think Johnson was so threatened by him.
But Johnson was centric in many ways but too weak not to do as the ERG dictated.

Covid didn't help.

I still have my flabber basted every time this current lot mention the last 12 years as if they haven't been the ones in power

As per the interview you linked to the other day with the former Sun editor, the Press doesn’t back losers. Watch them all desert the Tories like the rats they are.

Where have you been?

Labour suggested the energy intervention back at the beginning of the year.

Labour came up with the price cap in august when Johnson was on his second holiday and Tory's didn't have a leader.

They also have a plan they've talked about loads whilst Truss crashes our economy every time she opens her mouth.

I can't say which is better because we haven't have the reports for independent people yet.

But I have far more trust in Labour to try and get it right for the country than the Tory's - who I'll never ever vote for again.

The economy is going to get worse before it gets better. Even if Truss-onomics is rowed back on and it’s all U-turns for the next few weeks, the damage has been done. BoE will continue to raise rates and mortgage rates will increase, the pound remains low because of recent shenanigans so inflation is imported, and the cost of living crisis will squeeze homeowners. The Conservatives had a chance to steer a path through the global headwinds (and the Brexit-inspired problems) but Truss truly fucked it completely. It’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. The Conservatives are going to be at the helm as this binfire they started rages out of control and they’ll be out for a long time. Deservedly so.

The love of the Tories felt permanent.

What are you talking about? What love? There's been huge condemnation of Conservative policy forever, and especially since David Cameron managed to wreak his Brexit havoc

The challenge electorally is that there's no valid opposition either. Labour are a disgrace.

Is that you Liz?

here’s one for your focus group…

the Conservative party only help the top 5% ( though probs really the top 1%).

they fob off the proles by dangling ideas like offering places at Cambridge to a handful of poor, clever kids.

So basically, a lottery ticket to enter the elite.

if their policies actually offered a good quality of life to the hard working majority, this country may be a better place to live.

what I’ve seen from the Tories really since 2016 is abhorrent to me. Their values absolutely disgust me. I find it very upsetting that so many still vote for them. They aren’t even traditional Tories anymore; I wish we could all just be honest and call them the ERG.

Deservedly fucked and thank god!

@Isleoftights I didn't say the Lib Dems had been ideologically closer to Labour in the past. I said the Liberals.

liberalhistory.org.uk/history/lib-labs/

@itsgettingweird I agree as a nation we are mainly centric politically, I don't know anyone, well maybe one, who is rabidly left or right, most lean slightly left or right of the centre.

Its interesting that you thought of Johnson as centric, as an individual I am sure he might be, if he cares enough to think about it, which I doubt. His campaigning on the other hand, well I don't think you could describe it as centric ?

Enjoy 😊

Apparently that note was actually left by a member of an earlier, Tory, Govt when they left power (according to SCS pals). Used to discredit Labour but nothing to do with them.

I felt sorry for Kwame yesterday. How humiliating for him to have to go, when he was following the PM's instructions. It should be LT who leaves, the very thought of JH ( I won't spell his name out in full in case I deliberately mis-spell it !) being the Chancellor, when he was so unpopular with NHS staff when he was Health Secretary. I had to turn the radio off earlier, as his horrible, raspy voice made me feel sick.

Yep there's a lot of Scots like me who have never and will never ever vote Tory. Thatcher's decimation and the Poll Tax forced on us before everyone else was enough for a lot of us.

But it's telling when a Tory press plant poster conflates England with U.K. isn't it.

I still have my flabber basted every time this current lot mention the last 12 years as if they haven't been the ones in power

They get away with that because they've had so many changes of leader in that time it feels like half a dozen different parties have been in power.

Every party has a shelf life and they have definitely reached their use by date.

I’m sure the Daily Mail will find a way

@Isitsixoclockalready they definitely feel like they have run out of steam, 14 years in power by the time of the next election, got rid of all the moderates/sensible types and have been left with the dregs. It really shows.

And somehow people still think the Tories are the "economically responsible" party