Is there no way to make this country love the Tories again?

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In 2019 it looked like it was going to be the Tory decade (2020s) and Boris would have at least 10 years to run the country, Tory mania was at its peak. It's astonishing how much 3 years have changed the whole countries unquestioning love of the Conservative Party.

Is it over? Can they win back the hearts of the public? If so, how? Surely Truss would have to go.

AIBU - yes the country we'll doff our caps and tug our forelocks again once we're in the voting booth

AINBO - they're fucked

I agree but no government, either Tory or Labour was ever going to do anything about it. Which is why people who had never or rarely voted in a general election came out to vote for Leave.

Those who voted Leave to lessen immigration were conned too. Immigration continues, numbers are being increased by this Tory government. The only difference is the immigrants are coming from outside the EU and employers don't have to follow any EU employment laws.

People need to wake up to reality and stop clinging desperately to Vote Leave/Vote Tory lies.

Agree, so by Cameron capitulating to his back benches the referendum occurred.

It wasn't on any party's agenda (apart from a small number of tory back benches) as most politicians knew it would be an act of self harm to the nation

I would never write the Tory party off

I think it’s highly unlikely things will turn around if they have a new leader to win the next GE

but they will be back there is a reason they are so successful it’s that they will change direction to gain power and this is what they shall do

Dear me Florenz if you still think after all of this time that the EU was only ever only about "sending children to study in foreign countries" and "travelling" and getting "highly paid jobs in other countries" through "connections", if that is truly the level of your argument, with no mention of the benefits to trade which come through being a member of a single market, controls on commerce, work practices, scientific and environmental standards, the exchange of industry and scientific know how, then there's actually not much point in continuing the debate.

Were you asleep when the UK's Office of Budgetary Responsibility concluded that:

"since the transition period ended, leaving the single market and customs union had reduced UK goods trade by 15.8 per cent as of August 2021" ?

I think that even you might conclude that that particular blow to UK trading is a bit more than "rich people not being able to get there darling DC jobs".

Just because virtually all mention of the economic effects of Brexit has been removed from the popular press and media doesn't mean it's not happening.

But carry on in your fantasy world that leaving Europe only hurts rich people and wasn't an almighty self inflicted kick in the head to the UK economy which will eventually affect the most vulnerable in society if it hasn't done so already, combined with a government pursuing a neo liberal free enterprise policy which removes basic EU regulation that protects food, work and environmental standards; I think you will find the most underprivileged will suffer then.

their darling dc

The Left are too hateful and disruptive so the silent majority will remain with the Tories. Labour are shambolic and really are not a threat!

Like virtually all generalisations about “boomers” this is bollocks. There are a fair few of us who are regulars on the politics threads and we’re virtually left wing. I don’t know a single Tory voter in my friendship group. Unfortunately I’m married to the only one I know! 😱

Virtually all left wing. Bloody autocorrect, ffs.

WTF are you smoking?🤣🤣🤣

they now say Liz Truss has a few days left...
She wrote desperate pleas to the Sun readers on today's paper. The Sun's view was not positive.

For anyone in need of a good laugh.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/20119764/liz-truss-wrench-kwasi-growth/

Leaving the EU hasn't had a negative effect on the life on myself or anyone I know. I have family members working in industries where wages had stagnated or even decreased because of immigration. They have seen their earnings increase greatly, more than double on one case and they can decline work if they want to as there is a surplus of work on offer.

All the other stuff is just words and numbers. It doesn't actually mean anything, I'm sure some fat-cats are sobbing into their pillows at night but for normal working people, it doesn't matter in the slightest.

All the other stuff is just words and numbers. It doesn't actually mean anything, I'm sure some fat-cats are sobbing into their pillows at night but for normal working people, it doesn't matter in the slightest.

If it makes no difference to most people we might as well rejoin then. Leaving was obviously pointless.

@Florenz i am genuinely pleased that maybe a few people you know have had their wages double, they are very much in the minority.

My industry - which is one of the biggest employment sectors in the UK - it is a fucking shit show.

The NHS is fucked.

Also the data doesn't lie. Exports are fucked and inflation - which affects all of us - is worst in the UK.

This is not a Brexit debate, although it is not really a 'debate' anymore as you can't argue with the stats and facts.

The point I wanted to make was Brexit only happened because of a small number of tory back benchers and a spineless tory prime minister who capitulated to their wishes.

I won't be voting for them next time, but I definitely won't vote Labour either!

That is true.

Which is why 'first past the post' is inherently unfair, albeit it does keep out some of the fringe lunatics. What's needed is a proper, workable system of proportional representation, not the botched-up mess presented to us in the referendum last time.

Brexit happened because the country were given a vote and then when they didn't get the result they wanted the remainers ( from all parties) tried to circumvent it! The Tories seized on the absolute disgust from the many millions who voted for brexit and got a landslide victory in the last election because they promised to uphold the vote 🤷‍♀️.

The first PP has it. The Tories had no choice. The referendum in the first instance only happened as a strategy of appeasement to Cameron's Eurosceptic backbenchers.

I doubt the implications of what they had put before the country even occurred to any of them. It's clear, from the utter fuck up of a campaign which showed politicians didn't know what we'd be voting for any more than the electorate did, to the patched-together 'deals' and mechanics of actually leaving, that none of them even considered what might happen should the country deliver the result they didn't expect.

This is all the Tories' mess. Having created it, they couldn't exactly back out of it and Boris Johnson would be the first to capitalize on this.

Back in the noughties it was difficult to conceive of any Prime Minster leaving this country with an even worse legacy than Tony Blair (AKA Thatcher II). Congratulations to David Cameron. He's succeeded admirably.

They've have had 12 straight years rule and 30 out of the last 43. In the last 12 yrs whats got better for the majority of us. Have we got richer? Are our bills less or more? Public services, transport better, NHS, freedom of movement to eg Europe? Have others got richer during those 12 yrs who perhaps shouldnt have?

@MarieIVanArkleStinks i agree that they caused it originally. But i do think that the Tories have shown that they learnt a vital lesson which I still don't think Labour and the Lib dems have yet learned. You do not give the citizens of this country a vote and then try to back out of it when it doesn't go your way! Until Labour especially show that they have taken note of this then they are just as unelectable as the Tories imo!

@bloodyplanes I am not disputing the referendum result.

The point is the referendum only took place due to the Tory party - it was an internal party dispute by a few back benchers.

It was not on 'ordinary' peoples radars - it was a non issue.

Boris Johnson has personally made love to every man, woman and horse in this country and I do think that as a result things are starting to turn around 🤞

words and numbers, you mean legistlation and the economy? Oh and rest assured no fat cats are sobbing into their pillows. They're richer than they've ever been thanks to betting against the UK economy just before Conservative PM Truss tanked it.

You voted to make the rich richer and fuck over the rest of the country @Florenz.

I'm not sure I disagree. But Brexit is quickly receding into the past, aided and abetted by the pandemic (not least partygate), the most frightening European war in nigh-on 80 years and an escalating cost of living crisis. As the old saying goes, a week is a long time in politics.

I suspect Labour are unelectable for many reasons aside from this. They've alienated a great many women voters, as the 'Respect my XX if you want my X' campaign has demonstrated. Some women are seriously fearful of what a slide into Self ID - almost a given if Labour get in - would mean for their rights.

It's turned some women into single-issue voters. For me, other issues are important - ie. the Tories have rendered the humanities practically worthless and I probably need a Labour government in power if I want to stay in my job for any duration.

None of the options are appealing - any more so than the political system we have in place is adequate to deliver them. I'm increasingly of the view - more so after Elizabeth II's death - that the entire constitution needs a massive shake-up from top to bottom.