Is there no way to make this country love the Tories again?

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In 2019 it looked like it was going to be the Tory decade (2020s) and Boris would have at least 10 years to run the country, Tory mania was at its peak. It's astonishing how much 3 years have changed the whole countries unquestioning love of the Conservative Party.

Is it over? Can they win back the hearts of the public? If so, how? Surely Truss would have to go.

AIBU - yes the country we'll doff our caps and tug our forelocks again once we're in the voting booth

AINBO - they're fucked

@Blossomtoes Yes, I've seen they're polling at record lows. The issue is really that people who hitherto didn't give a shit about 'society' and thought if you're poor you should just try not being poor are now being affected. There is no real change in outlook - all they have to do is shore-up those people before the next election.

It’s gone way beyond that now. They’re gone for a generation, even their own MPs are admitting it.

@VladmirsPoutine I think the people who don't give a shit about society have gone off the tories anyway because these people tend to have large amounts of investments and property that will now lose quite a bit of value.

They will be out at the next election….

But they will get into power again. The Tories have been in power for the majority of the last 100 years. The Tories have done so well because they are good are reinventing themselves. They ruthless get rid of leaders who don’t perform.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”

The question is how much of the voting population fall's into each category.

At the moment they look dead and therefore even the unusual suspects; Sky, Telegraph, Times, Sun, BBC Politics have the knives out. They'd still rather the Tories, but they don’t want to be seen to be backing losers.

But 24 months is a lifetime in politics. If the above sense a change in the wind and if Starmer starts unveiling some slightly more radical policies (unlikely) then the “consensus” could change very quickly and we could be looking at five more years of Tory rule. Another minority Tory government or Tory/Lib Dem coalition is still a distinct possibility.

Already people are talking about Boris Johnson like those were the good old days - as opposed to a harmful Brexit and literally the worst PM in British history … Pre Truss. Many people have memories like goldfish.

Food banks are popping up left right and centre. A lot of 'poor' people are actually working, some even two jobs and are only just about managing to stay afloat. All of that will become a mere after thought if the tories can manage to get a plane full of refugees to Rwanda.

@VladmirsPoutine

i think it would be something of a shock if Starmer does not now become PM.
The real important question is - will Starmers Labour change anything substantially when in power? Can he bring Britain back a bit to the political centre? The aim needs to be to keep the Tories out for 20 years at least, not just 5 or 10.

But 24 months is a lifetime in politics.

And this isn't why I can't get excited by it all. The last six years have been a political rollercoaster, it wouldn't suprise me if we end up with four PM's in two years at this rate, Johnson, Truss, Hunt, someone else, Johnson, really wouldn't be beyond the bounds of possibility.

I hate to say it but we get/got the leaders we deserve. I'm no fan of the EU but the same people who voted for Brexit are now the same people bewildered at queuing for hours at airports and going through 'immigration control'. You see it even on this site - someone will post about how terrible their material circumstances are and someone else will pop along to tell them they have no grasp of hardship: "when I was a kid we shared half a potato which we baked by candle-light between the 10 of us, not even a baked bean to mix it with."

Only if they change out most of their people and most of their policies.

In other words, "no."

I have come to the conclusion that most people are just utterly in thrall to the mainstream media and so easily manipulated that theres no point even engaging with politics. Its pretty disheartening.

“There’s no money left” ring a bell at all?

People using this against Labour are usually unaware it's a long-standing tradition carried on by chancellors leaving office.

I still think people will vote for them. They could sacrifice kittens on the high street and their fans will meekly trot off and vote them in again. It's like some form of Stockholm syndrome.

I knew we were screwed when the Tories got back in with the Liberal Democrats in 2010, ever since we have become even more so. David Cameron made it worse when he mentioned leaving the EU, without that we probably wouldn't be in as much of a mess as we are, him selling it as being as easy as signing a piece of paper & us having more money to spend on our own country was a lie. Theresa May dithering & Boris Johnson's lies brought the roof down on us & Liz Truss has taken away the foundations. Until we get a General election & a new party in government nothing will change & even then it will take at least 5 years before things will improve.

Turkeys always vote for Christmas.

The truth is that if Labour had won the last election the problems we have had for the past couple of years will still have been in existence. Covid, Ukraine, World recession etc. Who knows the position we would have been in if Corbyn and his crew had won?
If a general election is held any time soon those problems will still be here as well.
Has Kier and his gang given any indication of how they will solve all this, rather than just constantly proclaiming how bad the tories are?
Because I haven't heard anything sensible coming from Labour as yet!!

A quote from the former governor of the Bank of England:

“Put it this way, in 2016 the British economy was 90 per cent the size of Germany’s. Now it is less than 70 per cent. And that calculation was made before today.”

www.ft.com/content/f1f0a66a-fa2c-4d70-9874-8003bdb3fb53

Not knowing what position we'd be in if Labour were already in charge has diddly squat to do with wanting to get out of the large pile of shit we have been landed in now by Liz Truss. I'd take different shit at this point.

You can't have tried very hard to find out tbh labour.org.uk/stronger-together/a-fairer-greener-future/

When did this last happen?

On the leading betting exchange Betfair, Labour is right now, '2.02' to win an 'overall majority' - so (slightly) more likely NOT to win on overall majority ie. be a 'minority' government. In the current circumstances one might expect Labour to be 'odds on' to win an 'o.m.' .......but the market is showing a roughly 50/50 split. The odds represent the 'collective wisdom of the market' (and over £600,00 already bet), at the present time.

Mostly England yes. The love of the Tories felt permanent.

Because I haven't heard anything sensible coming from Labour as yet!!

That can only be because you haven’t been listening. As they say, there are none as deaf as those who don’t want to hear.

Every generation seem to need to figure this out the hard way. I remember the Tory Mania of 2019.