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ReeseWitherfork · 13/10/2022 10:05
So do people change their mind on whether we should have a bank holiday if the coronation was say, late July / early August? A free day off work (for some) which would actually help with the childcare of the school holidays? “Exam time” seems to be a popular argument, but no one is forcing the coronation to be in May.
I’m quite baffled why celebrating the anniversary of a coronation gets a four day bank holiday weekend (granted with a jiggle, not just two extra days) but apparently an actual coronation just slides into a Saturday and we all carry on as normal.
WhyCantNameLastMoreThanDay · 13/10/2022 10:58
PalatineHill · 13/10/2022 00:47
I’m finding the race-to- the-bottom psychology on this thread really strange. If you don’t get a benefit you want, rather than say that nobody else should get it because you don’t, why not argue for whoever gets it to get it, then you can argue completely reasonably that you yourself should also have it, based on the fact that other people are getting it?
This kind of attitude must give a really great advantage for UK employers who could or should be supporting this kind of thing, seeing so many people doing their work for them in saying why the employers should not bother.
So your right perceived right to a Bank Holiday trumps my right to receive a days pay?
I dont get paid for BH and cant work on them (my clients close)
I lost 2 additional days pay this year and really dont want to lose another day next year.
Would you be so keen if you had a day docked from your pay each time there was an additional BH?
WhyCantNameLastMoreThanDay · 13/10/2022 11:00
Raquelos · 13/10/2022 09:01
Actually, about 2/3 of employed (including self-employed) people are in occupations that will have it off. I was interested so I had a look at the Gov website here if you go to the bottom of the page and download the data, then filter ethnicity to all and the year to 2021 you will see the breakdown.
Interesting I thought, but I am a data geek so feel free to disagree 🙂
YellowTreeHouse · 12/10/2022 07:20
Incorrect. “Most” people won’t have it off, and the the vast majority of those won’t get it in lieu either.
How naive you are.
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 07:19
Yes, most will have it off and some will get a day off a lieu. Only some people have BH tied into their annual holiday allowance. Better to have it than not?
YellowTreeHouse · 12/10/2022 07:16
You realise not everyone gets bank holidays off, yes?
6.7 million self employed
Many like myself end up having the day off (a say clients close) but dont get paid.
So forced to have a random day of unpaid leave- great!
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 13/10/2022 14:06
MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/10/2022 08:31
And why wouldn't she? You think it's beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients, especially after so many of them became a sideways concern and practically collateral damage as the rest of the nation focused on COVID?
Actually, scrub that. The tone of your post reveals all anyone needs to know. (And, BTW, there was just no need for it).
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 12/10/2022 21:07
As if you suddenly care…
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 20:50
They would cancel chemo! That is disgraceful
BaskingInTheSun · 12/10/2022 20:05
It's not about suddenly rescheduling medical appointments. It's about losing another elective day. So a whole day of CT scans, MRIs, X Rays, chemo, radiotherapy, OP appointments, elective surgery, etc and infinitum not being done. All of which will need doing at some other time. Even though are huge pressures on the health system currently and no spare capacity,
Schulte · 12/10/2022 11:12
Some people seem to enjoy being overly dramatic. Why would tourist attractions and theme parks be closed? They aren’t on a normal BH, are they? And with this much notice, surely there wouldn’t be thousands of medical appointments to suddenly reschedule. Appreciate the mourning period and funeral was a PITA but this is a bit different.
Of course it’s not beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients; what a ridiculous thing to say! However, the OP hasn’t shown concern for a single other valid reason for not having a bank holiday mentioned on this thread so my scepticism stands.
reigatecastle · 13/10/2022 14:20
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 07:06
Wish the government would stop being such a miserable bunch and give us our bank holiday!
I sincerely hope they don't. Bank holidays are tedious and boring and overcrowded. I don't want to be off work when the government tells me to be off, I want to be off when I want to be off, within reason.
And I definitely don't want any effing street parties, it's not the 1940s.
mummybearcub2022 · 13/10/2022 14:28
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 13/10/2022 14:06
Of course it’s not beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients; what a ridiculous thing to say! However, the OP hasn’t shown concern for a single other valid reason for not having a bank holiday mentioned on this thread so my scepticism stands.
MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/10/2022 08:31
And why wouldn't she? You think it's beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients, especially after so many of them became a sideways concern and practically collateral damage as the rest of the nation focused on COVID?
Actually, scrub that. The tone of your post reveals all anyone needs to know. (And, BTW, there was just no need for it).
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 12/10/2022 21:07
As if you suddenly care…
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 20:50
They would cancel chemo! That is disgraceful
BaskingInTheSun · 12/10/2022 20:05
It's not about suddenly rescheduling medical appointments. It's about losing another elective day. So a whole day of CT scans, MRIs, X Rays, chemo, radiotherapy, OP appointments, elective surgery, etc and infinitum not being done. All of which will need doing at some other time. Even though are huge pressures on the health system currently and no spare capacity,
Schulte · 12/10/2022 11:12
Some people seem to enjoy being overly dramatic. Why would tourist attractions and theme parks be closed? They aren’t on a normal BH, are they? And with this much notice, surely there wouldn’t be thousands of medical appointments to suddenly reschedule. Appreciate the mourning period and funeral was a PITA but this is a bit different.
you sound like a very bitter person, must be one of those who does not have bank holidays off and so wants everyone to be equally miserable.
Just because I think the coronation should be a bank holiday, but essential services for, you know, cancer treatment, should continue it makes me uncompassionate? Essential services always continue to open on BH, it was ever thus. My suprise was simply that chemo is not counted as an essential services.
PickAnyName · 13/10/2022 14:33
There were people who missed long-awaited medical appointments because of the bank holiday for the Queen's funeral; there's already a post-Covid backlog. There were some complaints when one date proposed for the coronation was the same day as a football cup final! 😂Having the coronation on a Saturday is a compromise.
tigger1001 · 13/10/2022 14:47
"you sound like a very bitter person, must be one of those who does not have bank holidays off and so wants everyone to be equally miserable."
I don't get this. I don't get bank holidays off, but I get a set number included in my annual leave and I much prefer that as I can take them when it suits me. Not being off on a bank holiday doesn't make me miserable 😂 what a strange notion. I get much more work done in fact as phones are quiet
I had the option to have the funeral off or work and get toil - I worked and banked the tool to take when it suits me.
Would be interested in seeing your views on what they should do with exams. Essential service? But schools would
Close if it was bank holiday.
MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/10/2022 16:33
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 13/10/2022 14:06
Of course it’s not beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients; what a ridiculous thing to say! However, the OP hasn’t shown concern for a single other valid reason for not having a bank holiday mentioned on this thread so my scepticism stands.
MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/10/2022 08:31
And why wouldn't she? You think it's beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients, especially after so many of them became a sideways concern and practically collateral damage as the rest of the nation focused on COVID?
Actually, scrub that. The tone of your post reveals all anyone needs to know. (And, BTW, there was just no need for it).
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 12/10/2022 21:07
As if you suddenly care…
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 20:50
They would cancel chemo! That is disgraceful
BaskingInTheSun · 12/10/2022 20:05
It's not about suddenly rescheduling medical appointments. It's about losing another elective day. So a whole day of CT scans, MRIs, X Rays, chemo, radiotherapy, OP appointments, elective surgery, etc and infinitum not being done. All of which will need doing at some other time. Even though are huge pressures on the health system currently and no spare capacity,
Schulte · 12/10/2022 11:12
Some people seem to enjoy being overly dramatic. Why would tourist attractions and theme parks be closed? They aren’t on a normal BH, are they? And with this much notice, surely there wouldn’t be thousands of medical appointments to suddenly reschedule. Appreciate the mourning period and funeral was a PITA but this is a bit different.
Of course it’s not beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients; what a ridiculous thing to say.
Then why say it?
my scepticism stands.
As far as the post in question being anything other than a disingenuous, cheap shot at another poster is concerned, so does mine.
reigatecastle · 13/10/2022 17:13
I also don't think it would be a good idea to move the early May bank holiday to the Friday because people will already have planned holidays, weddings etc around it. I remember when they moved the May 2020 bank holiday (before we knew covid was on the way) and people went mad on here. Quite apart from the fact that you'd have cancelled appointments etc all over again, although maybe they're not booking May 2023 yet. It's not that far away though, is it?
BaskingInTheSun · 14/10/2022 10:01
mummybearcub2022 · 13/10/2022 14:28
you sound like a very bitter person, must be one of those who does not have bank holidays off and so wants everyone to be equally miserable.
Just because I think the coronation should be a bank holiday, but essential services for, you know, cancer treatment, should continue it makes me uncompassionate? Essential services always continue to open on BH, it was ever thus. My suprise was simply that chemo is not counted as an essential services.
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 13/10/2022 14:06
Of course it’s not beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients; what a ridiculous thing to say! However, the OP hasn’t shown concern for a single other valid reason for not having a bank holiday mentioned on this thread so my scepticism stands.
MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/10/2022 08:31
And why wouldn't she? You think it's beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients, especially after so many of them became a sideways concern and practically collateral damage as the rest of the nation focused on COVID?
Actually, scrub that. The tone of your post reveals all anyone needs to know. (And, BTW, there was just no need for it).
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 12/10/2022 21:07
As if you suddenly care…
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 20:50
They would cancel chemo! That is disgraceful
BaskingInTheSun · 12/10/2022 20:05
It's not about suddenly rescheduling medical appointments. It's about losing another elective day. So a whole day of CT scans, MRIs, X Rays, chemo, radiotherapy, OP appointments, elective surgery, etc and infinitum not being done. All of which will need doing at some other time. Even though are huge pressures on the health system currently and no spare capacity,
Schulte · 12/10/2022 11:12
Some people seem to enjoy being overly dramatic. Why would tourist attractions and theme parks be closed? They aren’t on a normal BH, are they? And with this much notice, surely there wouldn’t be thousands of medical appointments to suddenly reschedule. Appreciate the mourning period and funeral was a PITA but this is a bit different.
So is it just chemo you think should carry on during this back holiday you want? What about every other intervention which would be carried out by the health service that day?
My DC had a brain scan for a serious health condition cancelled due to the BH brought about by the death of the queen. The new date offered was 8 weeks later.
Just one example of hundreds of thousands of patients whose care was affected. Let's do it again shall we, so we can all watch an elderly man have a crown put on his head. I mean it's not as if the NHS is already on its knees is it....
passport123 · 14/10/2022 10:02
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 21:36
How cruel. Surely chemo is an essential service
blackheartsgirl · 12/10/2022 21:22
And yes they would cancel chemo. Happened to a friend of mine on the day of the queens funeral.
when schools and nurseries are shut as a one-off, how do the staff who have small children come to work?
passport123 · 14/10/2022 10:03
mummybearcub2022 · 13/10/2022 14:28
you sound like a very bitter person, must be one of those who does not have bank holidays off and so wants everyone to be equally miserable.
Just because I think the coronation should be a bank holiday, but essential services for, you know, cancer treatment, should continue it makes me uncompassionate? Essential services always continue to open on BH, it was ever thus. My suprise was simply that chemo is not counted as an essential services.
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 13/10/2022 14:06
Of course it’s not beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients; what a ridiculous thing to say! However, the OP hasn’t shown concern for a single other valid reason for not having a bank holiday mentioned on this thread so my scepticism stands.
MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/10/2022 08:31
And why wouldn't she? You think it's beyond human compassion to show concern for cancer patients, especially after so many of them became a sideways concern and practically collateral damage as the rest of the nation focused on COVID?
Actually, scrub that. The tone of your post reveals all anyone needs to know. (And, BTW, there was just no need for it).
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 12/10/2022 21:07
As if you suddenly care…
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 20:50
They would cancel chemo! That is disgraceful
BaskingInTheSun · 12/10/2022 20:05
It's not about suddenly rescheduling medical appointments. It's about losing another elective day. So a whole day of CT scans, MRIs, X Rays, chemo, radiotherapy, OP appointments, elective surgery, etc and infinitum not being done. All of which will need doing at some other time. Even though are huge pressures on the health system currently and no spare capacity,
Schulte · 12/10/2022 11:12
Some people seem to enjoy being overly dramatic. Why would tourist attractions and theme parks be closed? They aren’t on a normal BH, are they? And with this much notice, surely there wouldn’t be thousands of medical appointments to suddenly reschedule. Appreciate the mourning period and funeral was a PITA but this is a bit different.
Essential services operate on a shoestring on a BH. no routine scans, no outpatients (including chemo/radiotherapy), no GP, no schools - just A&E.
mummybearcub2022 · 14/10/2022 10:16
passport123 · 14/10/2022 10:02
when schools and nurseries are shut as a one-off, how do the staff who have small children come to work?
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 21:36
How cruel. Surely chemo is an essential service
blackheartsgirl · 12/10/2022 21:22
And yes they would cancel chemo. Happened to a friend of mine on the day of the queens funeral.
The other parent? Grandparents? Aunts? Uncles? Siblings? Friends?
Breathmiller · 14/10/2022 10:54
mummybearcub2022 · 14/10/2022 10:16
The other parent? Grandparents? Aunts? Uncles? Siblings? Friends?
passport123 · 14/10/2022 10:02
when schools and nurseries are shut as a one-off, how do the staff who have small children come to work?
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 21:36
How cruel. Surely chemo is an essential service
blackheartsgirl · 12/10/2022 21:22
And yes they would cancel chemo. Happened to a friend of mine on the day of the queens funeral.
Not everyone has someone to take their children on the existing Bank Holidays. I used to struggle as a working single parent.
Some things to think about why people don't necessarily want this.
Will you be paid?
If not, can you afford that?
Would you feel differently if you weren't paid?
Would you feel the same if it was the nail in the coffin and your business failed/were made redundant?
How would you feel about 2 unpaid holidays this year for something you don't agree with or wish to celebrate?
Will you be offering to look after any of your friend's children on your extra day off?
How would you feel if a long awaited appointment was cancelled/postponed?
If it happens, then by all means enjoy your "free" (paid) day off (and I genuinely mean that) but don't presume those that aren't shouting for it are just being "miserable" for not being over the moon.
I reiterate...
My small business is on it's knees. It will be affected financially by not only the Saturday of the coronation as it was the funeral but will be affected financially by another bank holiday. And not just me. I have people who rent my space on Mondays, they may have to ccancel due to low numbers and make no money that day too as they did the day of the funeral. I know at least one of them is struggling to build their business back up after the pandemic.
I do realise the social significance of these events but it is important to realise that it affects other people in a different way from you.
passport123 · 14/10/2022 10:55
mummybearcub2022 · 14/10/2022 10:16
The other parent? Grandparents? Aunts? Uncles? Siblings? Friends?
passport123 · 14/10/2022 10:02
when schools and nurseries are shut as a one-off, how do the staff who have small children come to work?
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 21:36
How cruel. Surely chemo is an essential service
blackheartsgirl · 12/10/2022 21:22
And yes they would cancel chemo. Happened to a friend of mine on the day of the queens funeral.
Funnily enough not everyone has someone in their lives who want to give up their time freely on a bank holiday.
ZeroFuchsGiven · 14/10/2022 10:56
mummybearcub2022 · 14/10/2022 10:16
The other parent? Grandparents? Aunts? Uncles? Siblings? Friends?
passport123 · 14/10/2022 10:02
when schools and nurseries are shut as a one-off, how do the staff who have small children come to work?
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 21:36
How cruel. Surely chemo is an essential service
blackheartsgirl · 12/10/2022 21:22
And yes they would cancel chemo. Happened to a friend of mine on the day of the queens funeral.
How narrow minded can one be?
BaskingInTheSun · 14/10/2022 11:15
mummybearcub2022 · 14/10/2022 10:16
The other parent? Grandparents? Aunts? Uncles? Siblings? Friends?
passport123 · 14/10/2022 10:02
when schools and nurseries are shut as a one-off, how do the staff who have small children come to work?
mummybearcub2022 · 12/10/2022 21:36
How cruel. Surely chemo is an essential service
blackheartsgirl · 12/10/2022 21:22
And yes they would cancel chemo. Happened to a friend of mine on the day of the queens funeral.
Not everyone is lucky enough to have people available to help.
I don't understand why you are think that chemo should go ahead, but you don't care about any other NHS services which are equally important.
LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 14/10/2022 11:18
I’m a Royalist and Charles’ accession is a perfect opportunity to go with a slimmed down monarchy. That means slimming down everything - including pomp and fanfares. It’s the right decision and sets the tone that we will see a (much needed) change in the monarchy. And that’s me speaking as someone who is pro-Royal! They’re trying to read the room, as they should.
KimberleyClark · 14/10/2022 11:30
LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 14/10/2022 11:18
I’m a Royalist and Charles’ accession is a perfect opportunity to go with a slimmed down monarchy. That means slimming down everything - including pomp and fanfares. It’s the right decision and sets the tone that we will see a (much needed) change in the monarchy. And that’s me speaking as someone who is pro-Royal! They’re trying to read the room, as they should.
Yes it's already looking unlikely that William will have an investiture ceremony of the scale his father did.
PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 14/10/2022 11:39
As an anti-monarchist, I agree. There's no way they're going to be able to sustain the model that existed while the queen was alive. That ridiculous, drawn out, toadying mourning period was the finale. Now the funeral is over and the dust is settling, there's going to be a reinvention, and that's a wise tactic. I do get the impression Charles probably has some understanding of the need for this, which is interesting in itself.
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