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If you got no help, how do you now feel about helping elderly relatives?

157 replies

RadioHeadstand · 11/10/2022 08:50

I'm interested to see if the way I am feeling is just me, or others feel a similar way.

My mum died many years ago, and my dad remarried. He then spent all his time with her, and her DC. They have babysat GC, given money to her DC for things they needed, and been on annual holidays with them. They have done none of this for me or my siblings. They have not babysat for me once. My DC have near to zero relationship with them.

PIL have also not done anything for us. They babysat twice. The second time was 15 years ago when my DH was best man at a friends wedding and MIL started playing mind games with us saying right up until the morning that she hadn't decided if she wanted to help us out yet, and so I never asked her again. My PIL have pleaded poverty for decades and never once helped out my DH with anything. However, when it comes to his sibling, they have been given massive amounts of help both financially and practically. For example, PIL were too broke to donate anything to our wedding, but gave sibling £20K.

If you ask my DC, who are all now in their teens, they aren't fussed about either set of GP's which is sad, but it is what it is. As mine get older I feel a sense of relief that I no longer have to beg, borrow and steal when I need a bit of help. And, I have needed help at times. My DH has been great, but he works long hours and I have to do all the childcare.

Fast forward to now and both sides of the GP's are late 70's. The family and my SM direct my dad to me with any ailment or upset he has. Apparently SM is not able to deal with him. If he has a bug, apparently I should drive over to stay and look after him, as its too much for SM. I'm not good enough to spend Christmas with, but when it comes to being a carer, it's my duty. When I pushed back on this once, I was told that I was burning my bridges with the family. The thing is, those bridges don't exist in the first place. If I need a bridge, they aren't going to lower it for me to walk over.

On the other side my MIL seems to have this attitude that if you are elderly you are deserving in massive respect on the level of an ageing monarch, and we should be spending as much time with them as possible, and sympathising with every ailment they have. I was asked to drive them to an international airport recently as it is too much for them, and I said no as I was too busy. They have also asked us to go on holidays with them and I have told my DH, who would have agreed out of FOG, that I am not going.

I know that the above sounds a bit heartless but I just don't see myself doing lots of things for them. I used to invite them and include them in things. I asked my dad every Christmas for 22 years and he has not accepted one. My PIL only come here for Christmas if there is no better offer. I see both sets of GP every few months, which is what they set years ago, not me. However, now I/we get called up and told they never see anyone, no one comes near them, no one visits their house and this annoys me and I feel a bit guilty. I think that it is only going to get more demanding as well.

Once my DC are older, I will have more free time and I want to enjoy it. I am looking forward to it. I have already started to add things into my life that I have not been able to do in the past. I have lots of great friends. I am happy with the level of contact I have with GP's but from their side, it is not enough. I guess what I am trying to say is that I don't feel that I owe them anything and I am not prepared to spend more than a bit of my time doing things for them.

Is this U and does anyone else who has had similar feel like this? I reflect on what I have written and I think, jeez, what a cow.

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BryceQuinlanTheFirst · 11/10/2022 08:54

I think it depends on how you set your own ethical code in life.

My dad is pretty rubbish. Not very present. Doesn't seem to care a lot. But I am not like that as a person. I do care. So I don't behave as he behaves, I behave as I believe is right. I'm not religious but I do something think, if someone was looking at my actions, would I be deemed a good person? I always try my best to act in a way I believe is ethical. How other people behave is up to them.

Sorry that's a bit abstract.

RadioHeadstand · 11/10/2022 08:55

It is, but I see your point.

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Bramblejoos · 11/10/2022 08:55

I’m amazed you have any contact at all- what a miserable selfish bunch.
leave them to sort it out with the relatives theyvDO spend time and money on.
Don’t be guilted into anything - it will just snowball.

Dotjones · 11/10/2022 08:56

YANBU, parents and grandparents get the respect they deserve. By that I mean their past behaviour determines to a large extent how their children and grandchildren feel towards them, and how much help or contact they are happy to give/have.

No child owes a debt to their parent - the exact opposite in fact. The parent is the one who decided to bring the child into the world - the parent is the one who owes a debt to the child.

audweb · 11/10/2022 08:57

It’s not even about help is it? It’s about the relationship that you never really had, and it would feel easier and more manageable to help if you had a positive relationship with your elderly relatives.

and that’s ok! You need to do what feels right with you, and they can’t expect that you are suddenly available to jump to help them all the time.

breadandmillk · 11/10/2022 08:57

You do not 'owe' your parents anything however, if you had a good relationship with them you would want to help your elderly parents, show your respect and visit them because they spent 18 years, or more, looking after YOU.

Rinatinabina · 11/10/2022 08:58

I would help a kind decent elderly person who didn’t give me any financial help or childcare. I wouldn’t help either of the grandparents here because they are basically horrible. Just keep saying no.

GelatoQueen · 11/10/2022 08:58

I don't think you are being unreasonable at all. My circumstances are different but it can all so easily become overwhelming and you need to look after yourself too.

FWIW my parents are in their late 70s and I am finding I am needing to do more for them - especially online / mobile phone / tech stuff / arrangements - Covid completely destroyed their confidence / independence. However, they have always tried to help me out so I don't mind (except when my mum persists in ringing me about stupid shit when I'm at work).

MrsClatterbuck · 11/10/2022 08:58

What about the ones who got all the help practically and financially. Where are they in all this or are they keeping a low profile. I wouldn't mind helping a bit but not if the others are refusing to do anything as they should be doing the lions share.

OneDayAtATimePlease · 11/10/2022 09:03

YANBU for me it wouldn't be about reciprocal help, but the relationship overall.

My mother is disabled, she can neither financially nor practically help me with raising my family. However, she offers unconditional love and emotional support - our relationship is strong and I'd move mountains to help her if needed.

Someone that makes it clear you aren't important doesn't get to decide you're no necessary because they need your help. They can find another mug for that game.

Quveas · 11/10/2022 09:09

BryceQuinlanTheFirst · 11/10/2022 08:54

I think it depends on how you set your own ethical code in life.

My dad is pretty rubbish. Not very present. Doesn't seem to care a lot. But I am not like that as a person. I do care. So I don't behave as he behaves, I behave as I believe is right. I'm not religious but I do something think, if someone was looking at my actions, would I be deemed a good person? I always try my best to act in a way I believe is ethical. How other people behave is up to them.

Sorry that's a bit abstract.

I sort of agree with this. But equally I think it's ridiculous to say that one's parents did nothing for you, so you should do nothing for them. I assume they brought you up? I don't think anything should be about what anyone is "entitled" to, but nor do I think that it's a maths equation. If you don't want to help then don't. But be honest that that is what it is. That way they also have no expectations.

RadioHeadstand · 11/10/2022 09:14

Yes, of course you are right about it not being reciprocal help, but the relationship.

It has been hard to watch others being favoured, and my DC not being as important as step DC and us not being as important as DH's siblings. It was what I have had to listen to, that has really got me to the mindset I am at now, not they didn't give me this or that. I have cried so many tears over this in the past. At some point, years into it, I just decided to concentrate on my own little family, and we did, and it is lovely.

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Georgeskitchen · 11/10/2022 09:15

You owe them nothing. Let the ones who benefitted from all the financial and practical help look after them. It would be interesting to know who gets all the money when they snuff it, if there's anything left!

FrenchBoule · 11/10/2022 09:15

They reap what they sowed I’d say.

It’s not about the money or tit for tat but emotional bond.In your case it doesn't exist (you’re not at fault)
They didn’t want to spend any time with you and your family,they still don’t want to but now are interested in what they get from you.
They should ask people who they invested emotionally in. Let me guess,they are nowhere to be seen.
The choice is yours. You can help them if you want to and as much that you want again but you’re not obliged. You owe them nothing.
I wouldn’t put my life on hold for somebody who didn’t give a flying fig about my family for decades.

Tealpoppy · 11/10/2022 09:15

My family did nothing for me growing up/had my own kids
my brothers got it all-money,support,favours,lifts-the lot
they had college paid for,lived rent free,had cars-after having their lessons and tests paid for-money for their weddings-everything
i got laughed at for asking for help
but in their heads,they did everything for me-I couldn’t wipe my own arse without their help
i was expected to be their nurse,carer and bottle washer when they got old-just because I’m a female
nah,fuck that-to their surprise,I went nc and I will refuse to do anything for them when the time comes
let the golden children get their hands dirty

IncompleteSenten · 11/10/2022 09:17

I'd tell them no and exactly why.

You get out what you put in.

Fml1980 · 11/10/2022 09:19

My dad was well is an alcoholic, he left when I was 5 and didn't see him again until I was 20.
Has never did a thing for me but expected my sister and I to help him now.
We did try but the day he laughed at my autistic child was the last day I have ever spoke to him.

My birth mother put me into care as she was to busy with men.
Even men that abused me, so no I don't feel I have to be a better person.
Even though when her latest husband didn't want to know her and she was to ill to look after herself (MS) my sister and I did make sure she was in a place where she was well looked after.

If it will effect your mental health and that of your family then you have to put that first.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/10/2022 09:25

Henrietta Maria ( wife of Charles I) said ‘ to say to yourself ‘ it is my own fault’ are the worst words in the world’.

Thats what these relatives have done, they have behaved as they wished, now they are seeing the consequences of their actions. That sort of lesson comes hardest when you are elderly , and there isn’t much time left to change.

I agree with some pp, that you can do what you can to help for the sake of your own self respect and dignity, but I would be very careful at opening the door too much, because it is pretty obvious that they will rush in. They might say that you owe them some care, but maybe no more than they showed you.

TheDailyCarbunkle · 11/10/2022 09:29

BryceQuinlanTheFirst · 11/10/2022 08:54

I think it depends on how you set your own ethical code in life.

My dad is pretty rubbish. Not very present. Doesn't seem to care a lot. But I am not like that as a person. I do care. So I don't behave as he behaves, I behave as I believe is right. I'm not religious but I do something think, if someone was looking at my actions, would I be deemed a good person? I always try my best to act in a way I believe is ethical. How other people behave is up to them.

Sorry that's a bit abstract.

You absolutely don't owe them anything and are perfectly right to tell them to fuck right off. But, IMO, what Bryce describes is getting to the next level of the process of dealing with this sort of shit - ie you know you don't owe them anything, you don't feel obligated but you live according to your own values and that means you behave with kindness, even towards people who don't deserve it. That doesn't mean making yourself a martyr or sacrificing anything for their benefit, it just means that they can't make you into a person you are not, no matter how badly they treat you. They won't make you into a petty mean and spiteful person because that's not who you are.

There's a saying that the best revenge is living well - IME, that's almost true - the best revenge is being able to say 'I always stayed true to myself and I never ended up like you,' being able to look yourself in the eye and feel proud that no one made you small.

FictionalCharacter · 11/10/2022 09:30

You have no obligation to allow yourself to be used by people, elderly or not. Especially if they’re horrible.

Lobelia123 · 11/10/2022 09:31

I think you have no obligation to be used by them in this way, when they have favoured others and rejected you for so many years. Let the golden children support and look after them as a thanks for all that childcare, holidays, sponsored weddings etc. Its no tbeing a 'bad person'. Its not being a pushover.

Coldlife · 11/10/2022 09:36

Have you told them why you don’t feel you want to help out? You explain it clearly here but I am wondering if they know why you don’t want to and how they feel about it.

RadioHeadstand · 11/10/2022 09:36

Allthegood,

Yes, they have behaved as they wished, but I don't think they see it as that. The last time I was on the phone to my Dad, he was having a massive rant about how his children don't invite him over for Sunday lunch or make sure they are OK at the weekends. We have been asking him for years and years. He actually used to drive past one of our streets to go to SM's relatives and not once did he call in to say hello. According to him, it is us DC who are at fault.

It is the same for PIL. MIL will never see herself as at fault. There is one funny thing though WRT her. A while ago she told DH that "she thinks we are not very nice people, doesn't she?". Apparently it upsets her, that I don't think she is a decent human being.

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donttellmehesalive · 11/10/2022 09:38

I came on expecting to say YABU. I usually advocate for caring for elderly relatives. But my goodness, if you are presenting the facts completely factually, then they really cannot be surprised that you have no real relationship and do not want to help them.

The only thing I wanted to clarify was that you mention that they have been on holidays with step siblings, but go on to say that you have also been invited on holidays but refused, so I don't think that is something you can fairly complain about.

There are really only three reasons why you would help them now - to take a fair share of the strain from siblings if you value your relationship with them, to preserve an inheritance, if you think you may have regrets after they die.

C8H10N4O2 · 11/10/2022 09:38

If he has a bug, apparently I should drive over to stay and look after him, as its too much for SM

Your SM of 22 years who lives with him seriously expects you to go and care for DF when he is ill? Is she insane?

Help between the generations is rarely reciprocal at any one point in time but relationships generally do survive on a degree of being reciprocal over time.
We have no obligation to adults who largely cut us out of their lives, even if they are family.

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