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Totally agree with Sturgeon re the tories

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FayeGovan · 09/10/2022 22:21

I destest them and their policies too

Good on her for telling it like it is

I know shes hated on mn, or rather on scotsnet. They prefer the tories there, christ knows why. Independence is a dirty word on scotsnet. So i know I'll be shot down, but i couldn't care less.

Good on you Nicola👍

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Quincythequince · 10/10/2022 08:57

OnaBegonia · 10/10/2022 00:39

Why the the fuck would any person living in England want her having a massive governing influence over us.
oh the irony

No irony.
Scotland is part of the UK and subject to UK government.

The rUK is nothing to do with the devolved Scottish government at all - which was set up to allow Scotland to self-govern in various aspects.

Not suddenly overreach to influence dealings in the rUK.

It’s bad enough that MSPs and members of Welsh Assmebly, NI etc get votes on matters exclusively affecting England, which is simply not true or be other way round.

The decent MPs abstain of course, but not all.

Quincythequince · 10/10/2022 09:01

Honeysuckle16 · 10/10/2022 02:04

Thank you FayeGovan, and others for your posts with which I strongly agree.

There is so much mistaken information on this thread. For example:

  • that NS hates English people and England
  • that NS hates women and children
  • that NS works to the detriment of Scottish services.

These are not recognisable to many Scots including those who have voted in the SNP to government for the last 15 years.

NS has never said or written that she hates England. However, this is stated so often in the media and sites like MN that people have come to believe it’s true.

A gender-neutral cabinet, preference given to women candidates, NS’s support for care-experienced children which gives rights enshrined in Scottish law, free childcare for over 3 year olds, free bus travel for 12-18 year olds, the Scottish Child Payment of £20 weekly for each eligible child under 6 years old. It will increase to £25 per week and become available to all children up to the age of 16 on 14 November 2022. The Poverty Alliance reported this money was making a real difference to lifting Scottish families out of poverty.

Heard of any of these? They are scarcely, if at all, quoted in the media but are hard-fought steps taken by NS.

On Scottish services, it was reported earlier this week that Scotland had missed its targets for NHS waiting times, with much criticism following that. A few days later, results for England, Wales and NI were released, showing Scotland had done much better than other parts of the U.K. This was given virtually no attention in the media.

I’m not saying the SNP or NS are perfect, of course there is work to do. NS is making a positive difference to the lives of Scots and that’s why she is voted in.

Stop fudging stats.

Why don’t you go and look at NHS performance overall a comparable timeframe, and look at the changes, and then get back to us.

And she’ll still try to blame Westminster despite having control of that for god knows how long.

She is absolutely no friend of women or children with her views on self ID.

And then what was that other mess not too long ago where every Scottish child was to have some kind of govt appointed body who had worryingly high levels of rights over minors.

Asking kids about sexual practices and anal sex anyone?!

Ignoring the recent Case Review into gender services, as if puberty blockers somehow magically function differently when
you get to Gretna Green

There is something really rotten going on North of the border!

Really really rotten.

Honeysuckle16 · 10/10/2022 09:02

Scottishskifun
@Honeysuckle16 Your list is a bit cherry picking though also childcare for over 3s is free in England 15 hours or 30 for working families.

I explained the list was addressing the issues raised by posts, specifically regarding women and children, so the intention wasn’t cherry picking. In Scotland, 30 hours free childcare is available for every child whereas 30 hours in England is only for eligible children. Any provision is good, however.

Yes, there are other issues in Scotland, just as there are in England. A similar list could be drawn up for every country in the U.K.

On drugs deaths, drugs policy is reserved to Westminster. The Scottish Government and drugs action groups have called for specific steps to be taken such as safe consumption rooms but have been refused. This means the Scottish Government is restricted to health care, housing etc for drug addicts. These are an important part of the package but not having all round control restricts what can be done.

Thank you, though, for keeping to the issues rather than attacking personalities. I apologise for any extremists with placards at the border. This is not on.

Best wishes.

Notatallanamechange · 10/10/2022 09:03

Nicola Sturgeon would be the first to be screaming in offence if a Tory dared say ‘I detest the SNP’. As hypocrites go, she’s one of the leading ones.

And I say that as someone who despised everything the Tory party stands for.

Notatallanamechange · 10/10/2022 09:03

*despises not despised

love4189 · 10/10/2022 09:05

I'm wondering if she meant "hate the English" as that's what the SNP supporters on social media put out: hatred for England and the English.

Quincythequince · 10/10/2022 09:06

Scottishskifun · 10/10/2022 03:41

@Honeysuckle16 Your list is a bit cherry picking though also childcare for over 3s is free in England 15 hours or 30 for working families.

Your right she has never said she hates the English, she did however put into law during covid that it was illegal for Scots to travel to England unless on a certain exemption reason list for over 6 months which led to people standing on the border waving anti English signs........ or not disciplining her SNP members when they have attended the more hardcore independence rallies which call to boot the English out (that's the polite version). All these actions and many more lead to members acting towards others and thinking its OK because its not condemned.

You have missed a few achievements off her list
Highest drug death rate in Europe
Ferries scandal
Alex Salmond court/scandal
Education scandal SQA - still no replacement for that system
NHS- cancer diagnosis wait times, no proper long covid clinics still (estimated 100k sufferers health boards had to bid for a share of 10mill worked out at less then 1 Mill per board), a policy that women were refused IVF/lists unless they were covid vaccinated (including private that one has only just gone)
My personal favourite is the billions in tax decificit because they are unable to count and didn't heed warnings that the number of working people living in Scotland was way lower then their numbers! Basically they couldn't count!

👏👏👏👏👏

Absolutely this.

Bloody useless!

And it will still somehow be <hisses> ‘Westminsters fault’

She has done so much damage to cross-border relations. It’s unbelievable.

And can honeysuckle tell me what a woman is, or what NS thinks a woman is?

The word gender…pile of crap when it comes to talking about politics.

Because is men can be women, and they can In Scotland, she has achieved precisely nothing good for females, and has in fact been very damaging.

MarshaBradyo · 10/10/2022 09:07

Nicola Sturgeon would be the first to be screaming in offence if a Tory dared say ‘I detest the SNP’. As hypocrites go, she’s one of the leading ones.

She sure would. Agree with this too

She’s succeeded in bringing more people down to her level of bitter, hate filled, one dimensional anti English politics if you consider that an achievement? And together with IB she’s succeeded in diluting the Scottish voice in WM because everyone knows the SNP will just spew a load of anti-WM bile every time they stand up to speak. They’re literally ignored now as they have nothing credible to say, which doesn’t really help Scotland does it.

ChilliBandit · 10/10/2022 09:07

Can’t stand Nicola Sturgeon but I think she was right here. I am gobsmacked that Liz Truss has not felt it necessary to even call the leaders of the devolved nations since becoming PM. Doing more for the break up of the Union than SNP have even managed.

I will also point out Laura Kuessenburg is not a Tory. She is a brilliant political journalist who grills politicians of all parties. I am also not convinced the woman ever gets to sleep.

Jellycatspyjamas · 10/10/2022 09:07

I explained the list was addressing the issues raised by posts, specifically regarding women and children,

If you can’t define what a woman is, you can’t protect or defend their rights. The Scottish government has a track record of being myopic in their approach to legislation around women, children and young people to where they’ve had legislation overturned by the Supreme Court. This is despite professional groups pointing out the difficulties in their proposals, the areas overturned were pretty clear to anyone working in the relevant sector.

One of the benefits of devolution should be more accessibility to and representation in national government - that’s not happening in practice.

Georgeskitchen · 10/10/2022 09:30

Yep!! Great!! Bring on Indyref2 I say only this time can us English have have vote as well? Because I know which way many of us would vote!! 🤣

Quincythequince · 10/10/2022 09:39

Georgeskitchen · 10/10/2022 09:30

Yep!! Great!! Bring on Indyref2 I say only this time can us English have have vote as well? Because I know which way many of us would vote!! 🤣

Sadly, this is true for so many people I know.

A lot of Scottish people hate her too and something a huge as splitting up a county for your own (not very well thought out or clear) agenda is way bloody worse than anything the Tories could ever do.

They will just find themselves governed by an accountable distant elite (in Brussels) rather than the one they are now.

Why this is seen as better, I’ll never know!

TheGrimSqueakersFlea · 10/10/2022 09:39

I can't stand nicola sturgeon but I do agree with what she said. I detest the Tory party and all the people who keep voting for them.

Quincythequince · 10/10/2022 09:40

And I hate the bloody Tories.
Politically homeless right now - I would vote for nobody as it stands if an election were to be called now.

x2boys · 10/10/2022 09:41

So did she say anything useful other than detest, s the tories and their policies ,as that seems spectacularly unhelpful and doesn't really help anyone in any shape or form particularly if she's going to try and win more votes from Scottish Tory voters .

Butchyrestingface · 10/10/2022 09:44

Why the the fuck would any person living in England want her having a massive governing influence over us.

😂😂😂

Oh, you're a card.

EbbyEbs · 10/10/2022 09:44

But nobody cares what she thinks, I wish they would stop giving her air time personally. She’s completely irrelevant

FamilyTreeBuilder · 10/10/2022 09:50

Well I'm one of the Scotsnet posters who loathes and detests the odious harpie and everything she stands for.

There was an outcry over Angela Raynor talking about "Tory Scum" in a secretly recorded private meeting, but it's fine for Nicola Sturgeon to come on TV and openly admit that she "detests" people in her own country because of the way she votes? And then wonders why the whole political scene in Scotland is so toxic? She's stirring up hate and division and she should know better.

And this line that if you are not a Nicola Sturgeon fan and would never in your life vote SNP, you must be a Tory is just so lazy and hard of thinking.

Scottishskifun · 10/10/2022 09:50

Honeysuckle16 · 10/10/2022 09:02

Scottishskifun
@Honeysuckle16 Your list is a bit cherry picking though also childcare for over 3s is free in England 15 hours or 30 for working families.

I explained the list was addressing the issues raised by posts, specifically regarding women and children, so the intention wasn’t cherry picking. In Scotland, 30 hours free childcare is available for every child whereas 30 hours in England is only for eligible children. Any provision is good, however.

Yes, there are other issues in Scotland, just as there are in England. A similar list could be drawn up for every country in the U.K.

On drugs deaths, drugs policy is reserved to Westminster. The Scottish Government and drugs action groups have called for specific steps to be taken such as safe consumption rooms but have been refused. This means the Scottish Government is restricted to health care, housing etc for drug addicts. These are an important part of the package but not having all round control restricts what can be done.

Thank you, though, for keeping to the issues rather than attacking personalities. I apologise for any extremists with placards at the border. This is not on.

Best wishes.

I don't see how a policy holding women to ransom over IVF or over 12 months isn't attacking women though?

Drugs deaths are no where near the level in England as they are in Scotland. Simply saying WM doesn't let us is again shifting the blame rather then taking responsibility.
As for free childcare the 30 hours has only been given for all properly from this year they were massively behind with implementation fully.
I also completely disagree with policies to report parents on a child's self identification from the age of 5 if not supported or that a school can allow a child to identify from the age of 5 by a different name but not tell the parents!
My nearly 4 year old sys he's a dog some days.

Oh and our stricter covid policies and lack of nursery on 2 occasions has led to developmental issues in the under 5s. England didn't have the second ban on nurseries.

I get very sick of the response but it's Westminsters fault. Most of the failings are areas the SNP are in charge of they should take some responsibility for it! But it's always the same it's Westminsters fault and would be different under independence.... don't see how given it'd the same govt that can't count!

Fieldsofhay · 10/10/2022 09:57

She is utterly vile. The Nigel Farage of Scottish politics, dressing up Scexit as a positive and upbeat thing to do, knowing full well it will be economically devastating, destroying the welfare state here in Scotland, devastating those who rely on it. If you think austerity under the Tories was bad (and hell yes, it was!) independence would be 8 times worse (10 x according to her own advisors).

she just knows her supporters are so thick they are incapable of independent thought so she can tell them whatever and they believe her. Her business minister was even saying that rUK was going to pay Scottish pensions post-Indy the other day!!! Dear god do they think all of Scotland lives under a rock! I can’t work out whether he’s so thick he actually believes that, or is lying through his teeth and he hopes no one notices.

I loathe the Tories, but at least they are openly loathesome. SNP are unashamedly gaslighting an entire nation.

Fieldsofhay · 10/10/2022 09:57

And that’s before we look at their appalling record in government.

CapMarvel · 10/10/2022 09:59

She's just saying what so many people think.

The tories are beyond help at this point and frankly anyone still supporting them needs their heads examined.

Quincythequince · 10/10/2022 10:00

Butchyrestingface · 10/10/2022 09:44

Why the the fuck would any person living in England want her having a massive governing influence over us.

😂😂😂

Oh, you're a card.

Not really.
And the very basic rationale behind this has already been posted.

But don’t let facts get in the way here.

FamilyTreeBuilder · 10/10/2022 10:09

Just shows the total lack of respect in Scottish politics. How hard is it to be gracious and a decent human being and say something like "I will never agree with Conservative policies and don't understand people voting for them, but we all have to work together to make Scotland a better place blah blah blah"? But no. She reverts to ranty type and makes statements about how much she detests people living in Scotland who votes for them.

I loathe and detest the SNP but would I say that if I were a senior politician? Of course not. That sort of language is what has made Scotland divided like never before. If you don't vote SNP they think you're some sort of second class citizen.

And there are fringes of SNP support who very much do despise the English. The ones who stood on the border in the pandemic with a banner saying "fuck off back to England" who weren't condemned by Saint Nicola. www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/stay-the-fk-away-convoy-of-scottish-nationalists-attempt-blockade-on-english-border-2904148

And plenty of other incidents which she has had to condemn from her lovely supporters, from chanting "if you hate the fucking English clap your hands" www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/7275485/nicola-sturgeon-condemns-anti-english-chants/ to pelting voters and a BBC reporter with eggs at a hustings. www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20667338.nicola-sturgeon-condemns-abuse-hurled-bbc-reporter-independence/

Her supporters. Her voters. Her little army of nationalists. Time and time again she is forced to make apologies for their abuse and anti-English campaigns, lots of other times she just ignores it. But simultaneously keeps stoking it up by her words and actions?

Hideous, awful woman. Hate what she has done to my country.

beachcitygirl · 10/10/2022 10:12

People in scotland continually & consistently vote snp into elected office. Nicola Sturgeon personal approval rating in up 8 pts for comparison
Starmer -1
Truss - 60
Ross - 41

In the last decade she has delivered consistently.
• NHS scotland - best performing a&e in uk
• Rents frozen & evictions forbidden until Dec 2023 at a minimum
• Tory bedroom tax - mitigated
• Higher no's of doctors & nurses in a&e
• free at point of use university
• feee at point of use prescriptions
• a box of essentials for every newborn
• free period products (1st country in world)
• Fracking banned
• free bus travel for all under 23
• free school meals all primary age kids
• rail fares frozen until Dec 2023
• Scottish child payment of £25 per week for low i Cole families
• Scottish water in public hands & free at point of use
• more than 100,000 new affordable homes built under snp
• free personal & nursing care to all who need it at point of use
• 1000 brand new schools built
• free nhs dental care for all under 26
• tolls scrapped
• planting 22 million trees a year
• educational maintenance allowance to all 16-18 year olds stayjng on at school
• no parking charges at hospitals/nhs clinics
• 3 free cycles of ivf
• 5 free cycles of ivf to lesbian couples
• bursary for nursing students
• school clothing grant increased
• free eye tests
• all government contratees must pay REAL living wage
• caters allowance supplemented
• world leading domestic violence act (coercive control a crime)

And so on. Sturgeon and the snp deliver.
Is life perfection ? No, is there more to be done? Yes.

But sturgeon or struss/starmer 🤣🤣🤣 it's not even a contest.

A lot of women on this platform believe what the main stream media feeds them without employing critical thinking. The snp win in scotland because the majority of voters prefer the way they govern.

Ps I fucking despise the tories