Totally agree with Sturgeon re the tories

[FayeGovan]

I destest them and their policies too

Good on her for telling it like it is

I know shes hated on mn, or rather on scotsnet. They prefer the tories there, christ knows why. Independence is a dirty word on scotsnet. So i know I'll be shot down, but i couldn't care less.

Good on you Nicola👍

Fptp and pr are just voting methods. You still need a majority amount of seats to govern a country. It is 65 in Scottish parliament, 326 for the UK parliament. SNP had to combine with greens because the

Well done for making yourself look like a fool though. 😂

SNP had to combine with greens because they only got 64 seats, not 65.

No, you don't need a majority to govern. You form a coalition as the SNP have with the greens or you form a minority government as labour did in 1999 and 2003 and as the SNP did in 2007.

'The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence. It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity'

But, but it was a slogan apparently! This doesn't have much of a 'slogan' ring to it if you ask me. The nats need to get a bit more punchier with their wording don't they .

I’m not sure your point in quoting the Q&A part, it doesn’t contradict anything I said?

The white paper set out the Scottish Governments position on independence and was primarily there to encourage people to vote yes, not to bind the SNP to its contents 8 years later.

As for who gets to decide what a generation means the answer is no one, it was never said in a binding context or document so is always open for interpretation and quite frankly meaningless.

A second independence referendum was on the cards the second Cameron proposed a Brexit referendum as much of the pro union argument against independence centred on continued membership of the EU. If the English didn’t decide to vote for Brexit then it’s very likely we wouldn’t be seeing a push for a second referendum as we wouldn’t have had the material change to the union that the SNP needed to push again.

As someone else said previously, the SNP had a second referendum at the front and center of their last manifesto and were elected to power by the people of Scotland. The people of Scotland have clearly expressed their will over the matter, by denying the opportunity to hold another referendum Westminster are showing how little they care for the voice of Scotland.

Thebestwaytoscareatory
I’m not sure your point in quoting the Q&A part, it doesn’t contradict anything I said?

I think it does contradict what you said - otherwise you would not have posted about "the context and setting" of Alex Salmond's statement in the foreword. Are you now claiming that the bulk of the independence white paper (including the lengthy Q&A section) was meant to be taken 'with a pinch of salt'?

The people of Scotland have clearly expressed their will over the matter

And yet opinion polls are nowhere near the 60% benchmark the SNP were looking for in 2015;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34565619

As for who gets to decide what a generation means the answer is no one

You chose 40+ years - I would have chosen 20/25 years.

I would have chosen "after the tories completely fucked the UK up".

I think you just have to go with the pledges / manifestos here. Labour made a statement recently etc

I think it does contradict what you said - otherwise you would not have posted about "the context and setting" of Alex Salmond's statement in the foreword. Are you now claiming that the bulk of the independence white paper (including the lengthy Q&A section) was meant to be taken 'with a pinch of salt'?

No, you’ve misunderstood (probably deliberately so as per usual). But to clarify, I said the root of the “once in a generation” myth stems from that statement, which it does.

The white paper on independence set out the Scottish government’s position on independence in 2013/14. It was not, and never was, a legally binding contract. It always was, and is, a tool to promote independence and encourage people to vote yes.

That is why I mentioned the context and setting, the language used was chosen for a specific purpose / reason. Picking and isolating a handful of words out of a 680 page document and claiming they represent the core argument of the document is disingenuous at best.


The response to Q557 does nothing to contradict the above, all it does is repeat the sentiment that, at the time of writing, the independence referendum was seen by the Scottish Government as a once in a generation opportunity not as a once in a generation event or as a commitment to only pursue a referendum once every generation.

And yet opinion polls are nowhere near the 60% benchmark the SNP were looking for in 2015;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34565619

Hmmm I wonder what has happened between 2015 and now that might have made that benchmark a little less relevant.
Could it be a fundamental change to the Union on the back of Brexit perhaps? Could it be the prospect of another round of Tory Austerity for all? You should probably also read your own links as that article clearly states that opinion polls wouldn’t be the enough to sway change and that there would need to be clear demand i.e., the SNP winning every election in Scotland since the independence referendum with a mandate for a 2nd referendum as a core policy.


You chose 40+ years - I would have chosen 20/25 years.

What the hell are you on about? I said 40+ years to illustrate a point, not as the definition of a generation. Use whatever number you want here it doesn’t change the underlying point I was making, that no one agreed to a set time period before another referendum would be held.

Honestly you are so obtuse sometimes I could swear you are a circle.

Thebestwaytoscareatory
No, you’ve misunderstood (probably deliberately so as per usual)

I don't think I misunderstood you at all.

But to clarify, I said the root of the “once in a generation” myth stems from that statement, which it does.

This statement?

Nicola Sturgeon (04:43)
The SNP have always said, that in our view, these kind of referendums are a once-in-a-generation-event...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-24147303

Picking and isolating a handful of words out of a 680 page document

I found the section titled;
Following a No Vote in the Q&As.

Where was I supposed to look?

The white paper on independence set out the Scottish government’s position on independence in 2013/14. It always was, and is, a tool to promote independence and encourage people to vote yes.

A bit like an advertising brochure then?

I said 40+ years to illustrate a point, not as the definition of a generation

Oh - you were using hyperbole. Did you contribute to the independence white paper as well?

Anyone came over from the dark side & see Nicola sturgeon's point yet?

Also - to Labour & tory voters on here (those of you talking about the vile language Sturgeon employed.

Thought this was interesting (and interestingly brought forth no mass denouement in national media or online.)
and clearly the then leader of the scottish Tories did not take it personally.

twitter.com/austinrsheridan/status/1581046188178300928?s=46&t=vtYnT4EaKHQNST4vjNO10g

😀 at dark side but no actually, I think any further division, costs and damage associated with splitting is the last thing we need.

One thing is Labour will likely get a majority and we will avoid needing to do deals

'Thought this was interesting (and interestingly brought forth no mass denouement in national media or online.) and clearly the then leader of the scottish Tories did not take it personally'

Well, again context matters. This wasn't a serious interview it looks like a lighthearted show where true Davidson didn't 'take it personally' as the tone was completely different 🙄.

@MarshaBradyo

I hope not! I fervently hope for a Labour government that has to heed and work with leaders of devolved nations.

And the next Labour government won't be just the usual brief pause between Tory governments