Totally agree with Sturgeon re the tories

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I destest them and their policies too

Good on her for telling it like it is

I know shes hated on mn, or rather on scotsnet. They prefer the tories there, christ knows why. Independence is a dirty word on scotsnet. So i know I'll be shot down, but i couldn't care less.

Good on you Nicola👍

Totally agree.

Also someone made reference to the Scottish NHS; having lived in England and Scotland, the NHS is much better in Scotland!

'Even if you're anti Independence/anti snpImagine - 10 years time if scotland achieve indy and all going ok and are allowed back into the EU and rUK still being run/ruined by tories.Would you move to scotland. ?'

Imagine imagine. Pigs may fly one day too.

No one is moving to Scotland because of indyrefs. It is a beautiful country the non nats are lovely people, we love to holiday up there but Sturgeon's vitriol and bile are ruining the place.

You can take the chance if you want, I don't want to. I don't want to give overall control to someone who with a great amount of control is managing to screw things up. I don't trust her. I have said many times if she focused on fixing issues in Scotland and working hard to solve our problems, spend money wisely etc then I would trust her. But currently the way the spending is going she is no better than the Tories. Throwing money at things that don't help anyone, wanting to reduce our rights (and one of her own people the other day said she wants to do this and they fight against her on it), and not giving a toss on anything except independence. I don't trust someone like that, like I don't trust Liz.

While her argument remains that it is England's fault for all of our problems, when she could easily solve them herself, I remain against her. And anyone on her side.

Yes.

You'll find that most Tories including those on Twitter who are now being reminded about it by their past posts - which are much worse.

@LookingAtYou we get it you're a British-nationalist end of.

No problem. Cut out the vitriol & let the grown ups talk now. The clue is in the name of the thread.

There's no need for you constantly singing the same tune. We get it. You disagree. Fine, that's your democratic right to vote no. 👍🏻

Thanks for this. If people can be informed with this rather than the fantasy led lines maybe this and Brexit wouldn’t have the ability to cause so many issues

So you must be a typical nat 'end of'? so dismissive of anyone else's views. Fwiw this is a public site not your own personal blog so hey guess what we're allowed to challenge your opinions and point out Nicola's many failures.

If you're talking about vitriol you may want to look at your own posts.

@LookingAtYou why don't you start your own thread "I hate the snp or I hate nicola " and those of us who like political debate can leave you to your one-sided, anti-democratic vitriol 👍🏻 crack on.

The title of this thread is
"Totally agree with sturgeon re the tories" it's obviously getting a lot of Sturgeon supporters.

Sorry that annoys you & makes you froth af the mouth.

It is what it is & no matter how much you froth - She keeps winning 🗳 elections 🎉

I'm not 'frothing at the mouth', there's your vitriol again. Again, it's a discussion forum, you will get opposing views. You need to be able to handle that.

From what I can see, those who want Scottish Independence sound just like Brexiters.
I literally can't see the difference.
It's all the same talking points that would be criticised if a Brexiter was saying it, but cheered if it's an independence supporter?
I just don't get it.

Like or not, enough Scots want out of the union to warrant another vote

The opinion polls haven't budged an inch since 2014 and the majority continue to vote for unionist parties.

It really does not warrant another vote and another year of hatred and disruption.

How about the Scottish govt focus on bringing down drug deaths, getting more ambulances, sorting out the mess in NHS and education instead of another year of division.

No they didn’t but nice example of unionists twisting things to suit their narrative.

The “once in a generation” myth stems from the foreword of the SNP white paper on independence, where Alex Salmond wrote:

”The debate we are engaged in as a nation is about the future of all of us lucky enough to live in this diverse and vibrant country. It is a rare and precious moment in the history of Scotland - a once in a generation opportunity to chart a better way”.

It was abundantly clear from the context and setting of this statement that no one in the Scottish government was agreeing to a one off event where the result would last 40+ years, but rather as an attempt to encourage readers of the white paper to get out and vote.

But as per usual certain elements of the media and government have twisted things beyond all recognition and tried to turn it into a “gotcha” that never existed.

Wether anyone (living in scotland or not) likes it or not.
Pro-independence parties keep winning the elections with clear support for an independence referendum in their prospectus.

That's democracy. So either admit you don't support democracy or accept that there should be a referendum.
It will remain your democratic right to vote no (if you live in scotland)

We don't govern by opinion polls.

The SNP (and the greens) stood on manifestos to hold another referendum. They won the election.

Please have another referendum and win it and get out of the union and suffer under this oppressive woman

Well said. Especially the fairy dairy land economics

This always seems to be a point that nats struggle to comprehend.

Yes, the SNP win because almost all supporters of independence - generally about 45% of the turned out electorate -vote for them.

The pro-union vote is split between Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative. So the SNP get more votes than each of the Unionist parties individually and therefore win seats, but the combined pro Union vote is greater than the pro independence vote. Every single time.

If you have another referendum you will lose, again. Every poll, and every election, should be able to tell you this.

I actually really want another referendum to put the matter to bed so that the screeching Nats will finally STFU. Though that’s probably wishful thinking!

You realise that it's a referendum on independence, and not one on the SNP being in power forever?

No..?

And comments like that are exactly why independence is going to happen.

Wishful thinking sadly. Sturgeon has already said she will never ever give up on it, so we will be listening to this crap forever until she gets her way. Doesn't really feel like a democracy anymore. But you are right, more people vote against snp than for. That's why they haven't had a majority government since 2011, they lost it in 2016 and have had to rely on the greens since then, hence the diversion from oil to renewable energy.

If there was another party in Scotland that was better than the other options and was pro union, they would probably win a majority. But no such party exists sadly.

The point people like you - anti-democratic types - fail to understand is that parties are elected on manifestos, and by winning elections they get to enact those manifestos. The SNP consistently walks the scottish elections with other parties only getting decent numbers of seats by virtue of the list system.

Latest polls from youguv has support for independence surging following the last few shitshow weeks from westminster, from 45% in the summer to 49% now.

Fact is, most pro-unionists are shit-scared of another referendum because they know there is very, very high chance they will lose.

Maybe you didn't understand my post. I am completely pro democracy and welcome another referendum so that the silent majority who support the Union can speak again and so that Nicola can lose, again. Perhaps this time she will listen.

I'd also point out that it's people like you who choose to ignore the will of the 2million people who voted to remain in the Union that are the anti-democratic ones.

@ILikeHotWaterBottles you are absolutely showing your ignorance. 🤦🏻‍♀️ embarrassing for you

The Scottish Parliament was created in such a way with fptp & pr in order to avoid winning a 'majority'

Do Scottish nationalists have any sympathy for English, Welsh and N Irish unionists? I ask out of genuine curiosity. I am English, but have always considered myself as much British as English. If Scotland breaks away, it will be like losing my country.

Thebestwaytoscareatory
The “once in a generation” myth stems from the foreword of the SNP white paper on independence...
It was abundantly clear from the context and setting of this statement that no one in the Scottish government was agreeing to a one off event where the result would last 40+ years, but rather as an attempt to encourage readers of the white paper to get out and vote.

There is a further reference to 'once-in-a-generation' in the Q&A section of the same document;

Following a No Vote...

557. If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.

where the result would last 40+ years

Who decided that 'a generation' equals 40 years? Why not 20 - 30 years?

Well @Suetwo you could start by not mis calling scottish people who want the opportunity to live in a normal independent country & not a union.

I am most certainly not a nationalist in the pejorative way people on here use it.

Are the French nationalists? Swedes? We're the Americans Pre independence? What about the Jamaicans? Etc etc etc
In fact I don't know any nationalists personally.

The government are the Scottish NATIONAL party.

If you have no problem saying National theatre or National Geographic or National express buses you should have no problem realising this.