Totally agree with Sturgeon re the tories

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I destest them and their policies too

Good on her for telling it like it is

I know shes hated on mn, or rather on scotsnet. They prefer the tories there, christ knows why. Independence is a dirty word on scotsnet. So i know I'll be shot down, but i couldn't care less.

Good on you Nicola👍

Sturgeon indulges in the worst forms of tribalism and hatred. She is good at playing the hate card I’ll say that for her. She is also very good at blaming Westminster for her totally inadequate government of Scotland. I hope she does good independence and gets off our back. Scotland is welcome to her and her awful party of hate.

Well if it all has to be evidence based, what are people suggesting the SNP do? Bear in mind that they can't do anything that involves amending Reserved Law in any way, shape or form, as that's clearly not an avenue that London is willing to engage on.

So if there are other ideas coming forth from the organisations at the coalface, then yes, the SG should absolutely be listening to them, working with them, and trying to enact them if there's a perceived benefit.

So you don’t respect a woman with integrity, intelligence & guts then?

You admit that you respect Bawbag Bully Boy Blackford then? A man who , with his cronies , bullied Charles Kennedy to his grave.
You respect Mhairi Black who took a drag queen into a primary school to read to the children, and has called her own constituents “ Jeremy Hunts “

Rather dubious people to respect, but you do you.

@DownNative You re coming out with stuff that simply isn't true.

The PSNI said its analysis of the link between the IRA and Sinn Féin remains the same as that laid out in a joint assessment conducted with MI5 in 2015. In that report, a number of definitive statements were made about the IRA including that its structures remained “in a much reduced form”, that it is not actively recruiting and that its leadership is committed to achieving a united Ireland through peaceful means
Crucially, it stated it was the view of IRA members that the army council oversees both the IRA and Sinn Féin “with an overarching strategy”. This strategy has “a wholly political focus”, it added

When somebody tells you Joanna cherry is a head case you know exactly what sort of person you are dealing with

For the past two years, Sturgeon has been asked about post-independence monetary policy with no response. So let’s just be clear, there is no plan.
Sturgeon’s vision of a financially independent Scotland is nothing more than a mirage.
But, as she told the conference today, she doesn’t care as long as she stays in power.
That desire to stay in power with no credible plan for delivering independence is why all she can do is spread anti-Tory hate and hope Scots are happy to put aside what a terrible job the SNP have done of governing.
As The Spectator’s Editor Fraser Nelson wrote: “How many politicians say they actually 'detest' their rivals? Why invoke hatred as a motivating political force? And isn’t it hard to do so if you pose as an inclusive, warm, smiling party?”

For the past two years, Sturgeon has been asked about post-independence monetary policy with no response. So let’s just be clear, there is no plan.
Sturgeon’s vision of a financially independent Scotland is nothing more than a mirage.
But, as she told the conference today, she doesn’t care as long as she stays in power.
That desire to stay in power with no credible plan for delivering independence is why all she can do is spread anti-Tory hate and hope Scots are happy to put aside what a terrible job the SNP have done of governing.
As The Spectator’s Editor Fraser Nelson wrote: “How many politicians say they actually 'detest' their rivals? Why invoke hatred as a motivating political force? And isn’t it hard to do so if you pose as an inclusive, warm, smiling party?”

beachcitygirl
Whilst so many on here are criticising Nicola Sturgeon she just gave the most magnificent speech. She quoted the vile cruelty of Suella Braverman who said it was her “dream” to see an asylum flight take off for Rwanda.
Sturgeon added: “My dream is that we live in a world where those fleeing violence and oppression are shown compassion and treated like human beings, not shown the door.”

Somewhat ironic then that Nicola Sturgeon has chosen Denmark as one of the key comparator countries for her independent Scotland.

She wrote the Foreward to the research and analysis paper, Independence in the modern world. Wealthier, happier, fairer: why not Scotland? The paper tells us that "Denmark's 'flexicurity' labour market has often been held up as a model for Scotland and others to seek to replicate..." Apparently, Denmark provides "generous out-of-work benefits" and a "unique Danish tradition where solutions to major societal challenges are found in close cooperation..."

22 September 2022
Denmark closer to sending asylum seekers to Rwanda

www.infomigrants.net/en/post/43238/denmark-closer-to-sending-asylum-seekers-to-rwanda

September 2021
Denmark: Government proposes 37-hour work week for migrant women to qualify for social benefits.

ec.europa.eu/migrant-integration/news/denmark-government-proposes-37-hour-work-week-migrant-women-qualify-social-benefits_en

January 2021
Denmark aims for zero asylum seekers

www.infomigrants.net/en/post/29842/denmark-aims-for-zero-asylum-seekers

March 2020
How Denmark's 'ghetto list' is ripping apart migrant communities.
Copenhagen and other cities are planning mass housing evictions in a ‘social experiment’ to encourage integration.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/how-denmarks-ghetto-list-is-ripping-apart-migrant-communities

*Foreword

I found it hilarious that she said that. She is exactly like the Tories! How do none of the idiots who support her see it?!

The independence thing is ridiculous, Scotland has voted twice now, both times it was a no. Yet she says she will never ever give up. So is that just basically keep asking us until she gets her yes? That sounds so wrong... Plus if she gets a yes, since we keep voting or pretending we will everytime it's no, can we do another vote to see if it's a no the 4th/5th/6th time? Has she never heard of democracy?! No means no you moron!

Nice measured response here.

And @Clavinova has appeared with their long winded cut and paste posts, intended to stifle any independence debate.

Always makes me wonder why if Scotland is held in so much contempt, Westminster wont let us go? We must have something they want to keep, eh?

Oof. "No means no you moron" , from Ilikehot waterbottles. I'm late to the cause, you blabbermouth. People like you have got me off my arse. I"ll gently talk with people who have concerns about Scotland's future. It's a considered debate to be had, not some half arsed shouting match on mumsnet.

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In your dreams.

She's like a dog with a bone when it comes to whining about 'Scottish Independence!' How embarrassing. To think SHE is the face of Scotland. '😂

She didn’t go far enough my opinion. I’m not going to say my thoughts on the tories in fear of getting banned. To put it extremely mildly they are a disgrace.

I'd vote Tory any day of the week if it would oust the SNP and Sturgeon

Nationalism is far worse than the Tories.

Also think it's a pretty awful state of affairs when the First Minister announces she despises 20-25% of the nation's citizens.

Agree. My ONLY consideration when voting is who keeps the SNP out. It would be nice to be able to take other policies into consideration but nationalism is so vile we have to do all we can to stop it.

That’s so sweet that our FM wants to end war and violence and offer shelter for anyone living in fear.

it reminds me of the speeches made by miss world candidates back in the 80s. Anyone for a donkey sanctuary?

very few on this planet surely are grinning whilst chanting “more violence, more, more?” - but it doesn’t take a genius to understand that we cannot give shelter to every single person worldwide dealing with a sticky wicket. The population of Rwanda alone is 13 million. That’s before we deal with Eritrea (small pop). How about Mauritania with approximately 5 million living as slaves?

well that’s 3 countries handled and an increase in population of 10+ million.

ideology has to stand up to realism and literally be counted.

anyway, can we still vote for Ruth Davidson? What a woman!

Last pp make good points

Nationalism built on a combination of a promised utopia and hate is powerful but reminds me of that nationalism poem re appearing like a friend at first

It also is strong enough to make people wave away obvious issues around borders - which by now people should have learnt from Brexit don’t just disappear.

I detest Tory policies. However, I would not have expressed this in the manner that Nicola Sturgeon did, were I in her shoes.

The SNP in general and their record in government in Scotland is poor, indeed I say it is the best argument against Scottish independence.

The independence thing is ridiculous, Scotland has voted twice now, both times it was a no.

Firstly, the 1979 vote (which wasn’t an independence referendum but one on devolution) was actually won by the yes camp 52% to 48% (sounds familiar) but the outcome was rejected because a turn out in the mid 60s% meant that technically only 33% of the electorate voted yes, below the required 40% threshold
(I wonder why that condition was removed from recent referendums?).

The second devolution referendum in 1997 (precedent here for multiple referendums on the same issue) was also won by the yes camp, this time 74% to 36%, which was enough to get beyond the threshold.

The 2014 independence referendum was indeed a no, although in my opinion that result was swayed massively by outright lies told by the no camp but the result stands. So far it’s 2-1 in favour of the yes camp when it comes to referendums on Scotland’s governance.

Even the most ardent unionist cannot argue that there have been fundamental and material changes to the union since the last vote and so a second referendum on the matter is absolutely justified.

On a more general point, the SNPs record in power has nothing to do with the Scotlands ability to rule itself and be independent, nor would the SNP be guaranteed a seat in power in a independent Scotland. The people of Scotland could elect the Scottish Tories if the so chose but at least it would finally be our choice.

If you think we should be denied a vote on our own future because we voted no* once or because you don’t like the way the SNP rule I hope you are also campaigning to abolish future general elections and referendums too? After all England voted for the Tories so why should you get another chance to change it?

it reminds me of the speeches made by miss world candidates back in the 80s. Anyone for a donkey sanctuary?

yes, this. Posturing for the media and those outside Scotland who really don’t understand the layers of failure by the SNP over 14y, they only see NS’s media sound bites. It’s always just words and no successful action. Unless of course, you count the baby box? As long as you’re not waiting on your baby box being delivered via a ferry

Why would the border be such a problem? the EU has a string of borders with non EU countries.
Plus its a non issue as any independent would be years away from joining the EU.

The Tories electoral success and hence Brexit, was built on a tidal wave of nationalism and we are repeatedly told by the Government there are zero issues with the border/exports/imports, indeed its sold as a distinct advantage for the UK (which around half of us believe) - surely we would want all these advantages to flow to Scotland too?