Totally agree with Sturgeon re the tories

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I destest them and their policies too

Good on her for telling it like it is

I know shes hated on mn, or rather on scotsnet. They prefer the tories there, christ knows why. Independence is a dirty word on scotsnet. So i know I'll be shot down, but i couldn't care less.

Good on you Nicola👍

You’re right it’s going to be horrific to deal with

Brexit was bad enough and that was a lighter situation than detangling the union and allowing one side to have FOM from EU and the other not.

I have read the posts on why, and when it came to Brexit I didn’t want it but have tried to understand why people voted for it, this will be worse. More costly, harder to deal with and causing pain to those negatively impacted.

I do understand what people are aiming for but I dread the fall out.

Wow thats low!

Again, care to make public your evidence that Sturgeon has in any shape or form EVER supported the PIRA and Terrorism? or sought to back IRA murders during the 'Troubles?

If McGuinness and Paisley can work together, even becoming friends, maybe you should try a bit more reasonable, instead of coming out with, well, i don't really know what to call it..... irrational claims?

Or is this just another tory tactic to try and associate NS with terrorism, as all democratic means have failed.

@MarshaBradyo

I think there's an outside chance that it gets headed off at the pass before it becomes a major shitstorm.

If you look at how totally inept the Tory government is, I think there's every possibility that they still somehow manage to totally bankrupt the UK, the IMF has to wade in, but that comes with stipulations along the lines of 'stop being deliberately stupid and get back into the Single Market'.

If both England and Scotland are trading under an EU compliant framework anyway, there really shouldn't be many issues.

beach are you so inelegant in your discourse that you can’t make a point without resorting to ad hominems?

Intriguing.

Such rhetoric, such wit 😂

Lot of TRAs on this. It wasn’t immediately obvious

You have missed a few achievements off her list
Highest drug death rate in Europe
Ferries scandal
Alex Salmond court/scandal

really @Scottishskifun you hold NS responsible for Salmond's behaviour? how does that work

I don’t think so, even Labour have said no to single market

I know there’s this idea it’ll work itself out but taking a look at Brexit that seems highly wishful. I just hope people really think about the reality of border issues before voting this time

I hear what you’re saying and why you want it but the pain and anger that comes with trying to sort it out will be awful for many people. As a pp said it will be Brexit on steroids

Fair play to you for continuing to try to have a reasonable intelligent debate with someone like beachcitygirl, a typical SNP supporter. As you say, debating this kind of SNP bot is like debating with a small child. They just hurl baseless insults that they can't back up. I see we're on to the 'you're a hateful transphobe' stage of the argument now. So tedious.

Thank God Scottish independence will remain a fantasy for people like this. It's not going to happen. They had their chance in 2014 and they blew it. Since then poll after poll has shown that they will lose a referendum. Nicola Sturgeon knows that better than anyone, she just throws her rabid supporters scraps from time to time to keep them on side.

If you look at how totally inept the Tory government is, I think there's every possibility that they still somehow manage to totally bankrupt the UK, the IMF has to wade in, but that comes with stipulations along the lines of 'stop being deliberately stupid and get back into the Single Market'

Indeed, there is every possibility the Tories will have to go to the IMF for a bailout, the BoE Gilts buy out ends on Friday, Gilts yields have risen very sharply in response, why? because no one wants UK debt, even at high rates of return.

Can the IMF make those sorts of stipulations?

Sterling down against Euro and $, Scotland needs to get out whilst it can.

Yes I didn't realise just how deluded some snp supporters were. This thread has been both amusing and alarming in equal measure.

It’s why Scotsnet is full of ‘Moving to Scotland, where to live’ posts instead of any reasonable debates.

Drug deaths in Scotland were off the charts way before the SNP ever set foot in Holyrood. That's not something that can be laid at the door of the SNP I'm afraid.

Want to blame them for not getting on top of it, sure go ahead, then remind yourself that even simple steps like safe consumption rooms, which had the approval of the Scottish Government, Police Scotland, NHS Scotland, Local Government in Glasgow, and local third sector charities, were instantaneously dismissed by Alister Jack because Westminster pigheadedly refuses to consider any approach that isn't a totally regressive 'string the bastards up'.

You have to wonder why they steadfastly refuse to cede any control over this to the SG to enable them to tackle the issue, but are happy to use the resultant catastrophe as a points scoring exercise. It's overwhelmingly working class Scots having their lives ruined and ended prematurely, and the Tories blatantly have no interest in working to resolve that. And people wonder why Scots detest them?

Ferries Scandal, I grant you. It's a disgrace, but hardly of the magnitude of any of the nonsense that has gone on at Westminster over the past few years in terms of Government ignoring procurement law or making completely unjustifiable decisions.

Remind me what part of Alex Salmond's disgrace and relegation to political nonentity was in any way an 'achievement' of Nicola Sturgeon? Are you referring to the hilarious SG committee in which more than half of those who sat were hell bent on crucifying her regardless of whether she'd done anything wrong or not, only to end up looking like fools, or are you referring to the independent inquiry that completely exonerated her of each and every one of the offences Baillie & Co had already publicly hung her for?

So many completely nonsensical unionist smear attempts it's difficult to keep up.

I think that a leader of a political party or even an elected representative in Westminster, Holyrood or the Welsh assembly should be above such Trump style rhetoric.

it is also a little disingenuous to state that scotsnet is full of Tory supporters, it has many posters who disagree with our SNP but that doesn’t mean that they are Tories!

As for NS, who states that she is a feminist to her fingertips but not only that but a real one no less remained utterly silent when someone in her own party was repeatedly receiving death and rape threats. Whether you agree with Joanna Cheery’s stance or not, this is never acceptable and should have been forcibly called out, yet the most powerful woman in Scotland said nothing so I choose to judge her feminisms on her actions or the actual lack of them.

And two final points that I always make on these threads, plenty of Scots do actually vote Tory so stop saying that they don’t and plenty voted for Brexit. Guess some will now suggest that I’m a Tory Brexiteer from that!

Oh actually I lied, one last thing if you are going to bring whisky into the debate at least have the wit to spell it correctly as whiskey is the Irish stuff.

Drug deaths in Scotland were off the charts way before the SNP ever set foot in Holyrood. That's not something that can be laid at the door of the SNP I'm afraid.

erm, in 14 years of that door? 🤔

Thank God Scottish independence will remain a fantasy for people like this. It's not going to happen. They had their chance in 2014 and they blew it. Since then poll after poll has shown that they will lose a referendum. Nicola Sturgeon knows that better than anyone, she just throws her rabid supporters scraps from time to time to keep them on side

This is so delusional it warms my soul

26% in 2007

35% in 2010

45% in 2014

now regularly polling over and above 50%

If you genuinely can't see the writing on the wall...

Just a matter of time, especially so since the old, traditional, conservative unionist is dying off, and they aren't being replaced as the younger generations are remaining firmly left/centre and pro-indi even as they age.

Tick Tock, as they say.

'Drug deaths in Scotland were off the charts way before the SNP ever set foot in Holyrood. That's not something that can be laid at the door of the SNP I'm afraid'

Oh, shocking as the snp are I don't think anyone is blaming them for making people become drug addicts, rather their inability to improve the situation. Seemingly more keen to give away free sanitary protection and school dinners to folk who do not need freebies. Good pr isn't it, here have free tampons ladies! nevermind about those homeless addicts.

Yes, and absolutely no movement on class A laws in that time, being that they are reserved and all that. Inconvenient wee problem for the 'but the ESSENPEEE!' lot.

Sturgeon herself very much opened the door to this. Nobody demanded Sturgeon account for or apologise for Provo murder! What a strange comment from you!

Only one party brutalised and oppressed the people Catholic and Protestant alike. They murdered more Catholics than any other group.

Only one party had a private terrorist army with no democratic backing from the people.

Only one party tried to blow up a sovereign government cabinet.

Only one party murdered and tried to murder in Northern Ireland, England, Germany and Gibraltar.

Only one party was publicly condemned by John Hume for carrying out the most amount of human rights infringements.

Only one party still has an army council with access to weapons as confirmed by all intelligence services in two countries.

Yet Sturgeon counts this party as friends and allies! She doesn't even detest Sinn Féin despite UK and Irish intelligence services stating they have access to weapons. And have carried out several murders since 1998 - all of which they still obstruct justice for families concerned. Not a word from Sturgeon.

Sturgeon was shamefully playing to the SNP gallery and should remember which party is truly despicable in the UK.

Ah, but Sturgeon is too busy following the Shinners' blueprint for independence....isn't she?! 🤦‍♂️

Not a word from Sturgeon

What bit of this are you having trouble grasping?

Why on earth should Nicola Sturgeon say anything whatsoever, about historical events in another country, that are neither anything to do with her or her party?

It might have escaped your notice, but SF have been regarded as a legitimate political party by all and sundry for a good while now. Maintaining relations with politicians with broadly similar outlooks across the globe is pretty normal for most.

🤣 Insert ‘it’s Westminsters fault’ here

Tick tock, Nicola as they say.

What a scathing, fact-filled rebuttal of the persistent issue that there isn't a damned thing the SNP, or any Scottish Government, can do to amend Reserved Laws.

Do you want to actually discuss that issue, or just belch out yet more tired old yoon tropes?

Try 'Spain will veto Scots EU membership!'. Haven't seen that wee gem in a while.

No I don't hold her accountable for Alex Salmond behaviour I hold her accountable for the botched handling of the whole thing which then led to Alex Salmond winning his civil case against the Scottish govt and the hundreds of thousands they then wasted on court fees!!!!

CBA engaging in the debate cause unionists have almost godlike abilities when it comes to whataboutery for all things SNP and independence.

I mean the ferry scandal is a great example.

Scottish Ferries c£150 million over budget and potentially 5 years late = inept corrupt SNP and a great reason as to why Scotland shouldn’t be independent.

Elizabeth line c£4billion and will be over 5 years late = shhhhhhh let’s not speak about that, WHAT ABOUT THE INEPT CORRUPT SNP!?!?!?

So in short Fuck the Tories, Fuck the a union, it’s time to rise now and be a nation again.

Quote where I said Sturgeon "back IRA murders during the 'Troubles"?!

That's right - I didn't. Strawman Argument Fallacy from you as usual.

But I am referring to the recent PSF statements not too long ago AND to their continued justification for their own terrorism.

Nary a word from Sturgeon about that and that is some despicable stuff from PSF which is predictable.

If Sturgeon wants to be taken seriously on the detestable point, she should be as wide ranging and as consistent as possible.

But no. Political friends like PSF get a pass whereas Political enemies like the Conservatives get hammered. Logically, she can do both, you know.

But she doesn't.