..to think that Labour is rotten from the inside?

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I’m not a Tory voter, so I’m not posting to say how good they are (cos clearly, very clearly, they’re not!).

Has anybody else listened to The Labour Files on Al Jazeera English? (Link to podcast and web page below)?

Basically Al Jazeera got given years of communications from the Labour Party and investigated it. It details anti-Semitism, but not from Jeremy Corbyn - against even holocaust survivors, deep seated Islamophobia, racism/xenophobia any misogyny. To be honest the Labour Party primed Labour votes to vote Tory.

Labour councillors and members were followed and had files kept on not only their movements, but those of their children.

It actively took steps to avoid Muslim members being elected.

It actively purged members who joined to vote for Corbyn.

Brickgate had no brick ever found.

The list goes on.

I have zero faith in politicians, but this is something quite different. The level of control exerted to stop alternatives views being heard, to prevent democratic processes happening is quite horrifying. There is a clear thread that the party only likes democracy when it’s controlling it.

I have been confused about why the Labour Party lacks so many people of colour in the parliament and this was squarely answered. Same with why there’s not been a female leader. Because from what we hear from the party it makes zero sense. After listening to this report, I’m surprised anybody other than a handful of white men vote for it.

The party seems completely rotten from the core.

AIBU thinking this after listening to the investigation? Anybody else heard it?

www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party

podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/al-jazeera-investigates/id1488977521?i=1000581016758

How can they be more rotten than the current lying, duplicitous, warring shit show we have now?

Nah. I’m Scottish so I’d agree. Also not a Tory. Just a mum struggling with cuts to local services our Labour run council made after saying they wouldn’t

This is why people who voted for the socialist Labour Party under Corbyn are unwilling to vote for the Labour Party run by Starmer.

For many of us none of this is new news, we knew what was going on when they were undermining Corbyn.

So I would rather another 4 years of these absolutely shit tories than have the right wing of Labour win an election.

YANBU. It goes back decades. Lib Dems are also pretty grim to those of us with long memories. We need a credible electable opposition and we don’t currently have one.

You understand that the local council funding has been decimated by a central conservative government.

I'm not surprised, OP, and I'm not remotely a Tory voter either - I think they are appalling. I do find it irritating that nobody is allowed to post anything critical of Labour without a deluge of posts going "But what about the Tories?" Yes. We know the Tories are shit. That doesn't mean Labour aren't. Labour can still be spectacularly shit even if they don't quite compare in shitness to the Tories. That's why I won't be voting for either of them in the next GE.

Yanbu, it's a feature not a bug.

Not all of us. I voted for Corbyn as a Party member. I have grown to respect Starmer and anyone that thinks he is worse than the current government are either exceptionally rich or exceptionally foolish.

I personally want a PR system to keep pressure in the two main parties.

Please take a closer look at the current government... No conspiracy theories needed there - it's plain to see - Tory government is awful and it would be nice to get back to a Labour government with decent priorities for struggling families, adult social care, NHS, education, environment, economy and housing... Unless you're a wealthy financier profiting from the crash in sterling, you and yours probably don't have much to thank this government for right now. And the longer they crash on, the more damage they do to our international reputation.

Ok Liz!

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They are all rotten.

All of them.

It's the nature of politics.

This.

We are a one-party state.

My local CLP have drama, drama, drama and conspiracy brewing all the time.

We have a very, very good local Cllr who has been pretty much pushed out by the MP and other cllrs for not toeing a specific line. He stood down from Labour this week and has discussed it being "cult like".

I was a long time Labour voter and party member, I left the party around 5 years ago due to my GC beliefs and can't see myself voting for them unless they undergo a major revolution.

The whole thing is rotten from the top down.

I haven’t watched it but it’s not surprising

YABU.

Some of us lived under Wilson’s government where we were run by the Union extremists.

Our labour local council shut down our village library and stopped funding for our village bus service. You can't blame the Tories for that - both happened in the Blair/Brown years!

“I have been confused about why the Labour Party lacks so many people of colour in the parliament”

There are 198 Labour MPs in the Commons and of those, 41 are from a background that’s “Black or minority ethnic” commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01156/ which works out to just over 20% of Labour MPs being people of colour. That’s better representation than the other parties, if that’s something you’re interested in. Tories have 356 MPs and of those 22 (just over 6%) are from an ethnic minority; Lib Dems have 14 MPs with 2 (14%) from ethnic minority backgrounds.

There are absolutely a lot of problems with the Labour Party, and I do fear for the future of the UK after they inevitably win the next GE (although I also fear the results of what the Tories are doing too), but it seems a bit odd to say Labour “lacks so many people of colour in the Parliament” - objectively it doesn’t.

Starmer is no more trustworthy than Boris Johnson was. He is a proven liar, as exposed in The Labour Files. He knew Corbyn was not anti-semitic and he went back on his word to let Corbyn back into the party after being suspended on spurious grounds. Now, after the Forde Report, he is saying that it was all happening under Corbyn. It was happening by people working against Corbyn. Starmer has ignored the domestic abuse suffered by one of his MPs (Apsana Begum) and the central office (governed by the general secretary, a huge ally of Starmer) actively encouraged her abuser to take part in her re-selection process and she suffered a tremendous amount of abuse during her campaign that actually put her in hospital. Starner has been silent on it. He is no ally.

Starmer is a narcissist - he cannot take criticism. He suspends people who speak against him (did anybody see that woman have a go at him in the cafe in Liverpool for him writing in the Scum newspaper when he pledged not to?) She was expelled within days. He has shut down democracy in local selections for council by sending his right wingers in to 'oversee' the process and nobody was allowed to speak up for Corbyn or they would be suspended. I have left the party now. It is so toxic. Everything in the Labour Files is true. It's been ramped up since Corbyn was elected leader. The 2019 election was the hardest the right wing have worked against their own party, diverting funds from left wing MPs and briefing (smearing) the press against them. I would never trust a man who has worked so hard against natural justice, more so given his former role as DPP. He is vile.

Spot on

YANBU I find it endlessly depressing that we have no decent alternative to the Conservatives. The Labour party is rotten to the core too. Neither are capable of representing us as a country in an honest, competent or dignified way.

Something critical needs to change in how we appoint our government because it's just getting worse year on year.

My current leaning is PR and no "party" leadership. Instead the Prime Minsiter is elected from a pool of candidates aproved by the King and each of the UK nations. Role appointments e.g. Home Secretary to also be universally agreeable across all parties. More diverse representation and party lines become more flexible so that things can actually be achieved. I'm not saying my idea has any weight or would be successful, but we have to do something. Options need to be explored.

Unfortunately our current crop of MPs of all persuasions would rather see the country burn and sink than co-operate with someone who thinks differently to them.

Never mind, it’s inevitable Labour will get in and then we will see complete ruination on all fronts. Just feel sorry for my kids the way it will go.