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..to think that Labour is rotten from the inside?

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bounceoff · 09/10/2022 16:25

I’m not a Tory voter, so I’m not posting to say how good they are (cos clearly, very clearly, they’re not!).

Has anybody else listened to The Labour Files on Al Jazeera English? (Link to podcast and web page below)?

Basically Al Jazeera got given years of communications from the Labour Party and investigated it. It details anti-Semitism, but not from Jeremy Corbyn - against even holocaust survivors, deep seated Islamophobia, racism/xenophobia any misogyny. To be honest the Labour Party primed Labour votes to vote Tory.

Labour councillors and members were followed and had files kept on not only their movements, but those of their children.

It actively took steps to avoid Muslim members being elected.

It actively purged members who joined to vote for Corbyn.

Brickgate had no brick ever found.

The list goes on.

I have zero faith in politicians, but this is something quite different. The level of control exerted to stop alternatives views being heard, to prevent democratic processes happening is quite horrifying. There is a clear thread that the party only likes democracy when it’s controlling it.

I have been confused about why the Labour Party lacks so many people of colour in the parliament and this was squarely answered. Same with why there’s not been a female leader. Because from what we hear from the party it makes zero sense. After listening to this report, I’m surprised anybody other than a handful of white men vote for it.

The party seems completely rotten from the core.

AIBU thinking this after listening to the investigation? Anybody else heard it?

www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party

podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/al-jazeera-investigates/id1488977521?i=1000581016758

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pointythings · 14/10/2022 13:08

@SarahSissions do you really think the Tories are not also rotten on the inside?

Florenz · 14/10/2022 20:15

I think the Tories are more open about what they are. Labour puts on a front of being the "nice" party.

lannistunut · 14/10/2022 20:24

Tell you what really was nice though, investment. I miss that. Irrespective of personalities and in-fighting - I miss Labour investment.

The Tories squabble just as much, they have plenty suspended currently under investigation. But what affects me personally is their policies - they've wrecked our local council, the school, our hospital, police and every bloody other thing.

pointythings · 14/10/2022 20:28

@lannistunut I agree. I remember the last Labour government. The Tories, ably supported by the right wind press have painter this narrative that Labour is so bad with the economy, but it is absolute bollocks

And while everyone is a fallible human being, I will always blame the Tories because their so-called ethos stripped people of their local facilities and support systems, cut help for the most vulnerable people in society and did it willingly and knowingly. Maybe both are equally corrupt - but the Tories win on cruelty.

Nat6999 · 14/10/2022 20:29

After seeing Liz Truss this afternoon in her under 8 minute press conference, how can Labour be any more toxic? The Tories are like a pack of hungry hyenas.

Lonelycrab · 14/10/2022 20:30

I think the Tories are more open about what they are. Labour puts on a front of being the "nice" party

”the Tories” are currently imploding due to an(other) incompetent PM, perhaps taking down the entire U.K. economy in the process too.

So I think your judgement about the apparent openness or honesty of certain parties is neither here nor there, and you are completely missing the bigger picture. .

Look at what’s going on with this government, and it’s truly bleak.

jgw1 · 14/10/2022 20:30

Nat6999 · 14/10/2022 20:29

After seeing Liz Truss this afternoon in her under 8 minute press conference, how can Labour be any more toxic? The Tories are like a pack of hungry hyenas.

That's a little unfair on hyenas, hungry or not.

jgw1 · 14/10/2022 20:31

Lonelycrab · 14/10/2022 20:30

I think the Tories are more open about what they are. Labour puts on a front of being the "nice" party

”the Tories” are currently imploding due to an(other) incompetent PM, perhaps taking down the entire U.K. economy in the process too.

So I think your judgement about the apparent openness or honesty of certain parties is neither here nor there, and you are completely missing the bigger picture. .

Look at what’s going on with this government, and it’s truly bleak.

At least Boris knows what a woman is.

HappyHappyHermit · 14/10/2022 21:29

@jgw1 Yet views and treats them as nothings. I suspect he says whatever he thinks people want to hear so I wouldn't put a lot by whatever he says.

jgw1 · 14/10/2022 21:30

HappyHappyHermit · 14/10/2022 21:29

@jgw1 Yet views and treats them as nothings. I suspect he says whatever he thinks people want to hear so I wouldn't put a lot by whatever he says.

All Boris did was spend a few minutes with work colleagues having a piece of cake, nothing that anyone else wouldn't have done.

And look what chaos we have now that the great leader has gone.

Blossomtoes · 14/10/2022 21:36

lannistunut · 14/10/2022 20:24

Tell you what really was nice though, investment. I miss that. Irrespective of personalities and in-fighting - I miss Labour investment.

The Tories squabble just as much, they have plenty suspended currently under investigation. But what affects me personally is their policies - they've wrecked our local council, the school, our hospital, police and every bloody other thing.

This. How lovely it would be to have a functional NHS again.

Lonelycrab · 14/10/2022 21:43

And look what chaos we have now that the great leader has gone

Nothing like the chaos we’d have had with Miliband. That would have been awful. I mean, if you can’t eat a sandwich properly, how could you possibly run the country 👍

lannistunut · 14/10/2022 21:46

jgw1 · 14/10/2022 21:30

All Boris did was spend a few minutes with work colleagues having a piece of cake, nothing that anyone else wouldn't have done.

And look what chaos we have now that the great leader has gone.

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Hmm Think it was a bit more than that, Downing Street got more fines than anywhere else. He also tried to change the rules for Paterson, had the Pincher debacle, prorogued parliament illegally, the wallpaper bullshit...

And of course 'let the bodies pile high'.

Amazing the Tories can't find anyone competent + with integrity.

pointythings · 14/10/2022 21:51

@lannistunut you may wish to know that @jgw1 is known for their subtle and subversive satirical bent. It's quality stuff.

Blossomtoes · 14/10/2022 21:54

pointythings · 14/10/2022 21:51

@lannistunut you may wish to know that @jgw1 is known for their subtle and subversive satirical bent. It's quality stuff.

It is. It fools most people until the penny drops. MN’s very own Joe Lycett.

Againstmachine · 14/10/2022 22:05

It's amazing people who accuse the Tories of selling off the NHS, that labour on the 00s were doing exactly that with the PFI programs tham huge amounts are still running that basically rip the NHS off for millions. The worst thing is Gordon brown could have borrowed money to build thee places at extremely low rates.

Blossomtoes · 14/10/2022 22:12

Againstmachine · 14/10/2022 22:05

It's amazing people who accuse the Tories of selling off the NHS, that labour on the 00s were doing exactly that with the PFI programs tham huge amounts are still running that basically rip the NHS off for millions. The worst thing is Gordon brown could have borrowed money to build thee places at extremely low rates.

If you think PFI was selling the NHS off you have no understanding of what PFI entailed. It had nothing to do with services.

GreenLunchBox · 14/10/2022 22:12

Againstmachine · 14/10/2022 22:05

It's amazing people who accuse the Tories of selling off the NHS, that labour on the 00s were doing exactly that with the PFI programs tham huge amounts are still running that basically rip the NHS off for millions. The worst thing is Gordon brown could have borrowed money to build thee places at extremely low rates.

What's your point...vote Tory? Genuinely interested

pointythings · 14/10/2022 22:13

@Againstmachine so we should all vote Tory because Labour made a big mistake 20 years ago. Sure.

Oh, and don't start on the Iraq war. The Tories backed it enthusiastically.

Againstmachine · 14/10/2022 22:13

If you think PFI was selling the NHS off you have no understanding of what PFI entailed. It had nothing to do with services.

So we sold vast sections or NHS buildings to other companys, what do you think privatizing is.

Blossomtoes · 14/10/2022 22:16

Againstmachine · 14/10/2022 22:13

If you think PFI was selling the NHS off you have no understanding of what PFI entailed. It had nothing to do with services.

So we sold vast sections or NHS buildings to other companys, what do you think privatizing is.

No we didn’t. We used private finance to provide new buildings. If the NHS had been sensible enough to employ contract experts it would have been an excellent idea. As it is it got ripped off.

Florenz · 14/10/2022 22:31

lannistunut · 14/10/2022 20:24

Tell you what really was nice though, investment. I miss that. Irrespective of personalities and in-fighting - I miss Labour investment.

The Tories squabble just as much, they have plenty suspended currently under investigation. But what affects me personally is their policies - they've wrecked our local council, the school, our hospital, police and every bloody other thing.

Investment isn't worth anything. Labour used to make press announcements about investing more in the public sector. Not about improving it, but just spending more money on it. It always rubbed me the wrong way, in no other area of business or life in general would this happen.

The public sector in this country is very badly run, was under Labour, is under the Tories, and likely will be under Labour again soon. It needs to modernise, come into the 2020s, and be run for the benefit of the people it serves, not the people working within it. It needs to be gone through with a hot knife, there are so many people working within it that simply aren't worth the money they receive in salary and benefits. The public just isn't getting good value for money from their taxes. If the public sector was run as efficiently as an elite corporation, people wouldn't object so much to paying more taxes. But they wouldn't need to pay more taxes if the public sector was run more efficiently, in fact taxes could be cut at the same time as services were improving.

Againstmachine · 14/10/2022 22:32

Tory because Labour made a big mistake 20 years ago. Sure.

Oh, and don't start on the Iraq war. The Tories backed it enthusiastically.*

Where did I say we should vote Tory exactly nowhere, where did I mention Iraq war exactly no where.

It's amazing how many people are if you don't vote labour you support the Tories, it's beyond stupid I support neither party as they are both full of vile scum.

Againstmachine · 14/10/2022 22:33

Also who can forget labours tax policy that got reversed, that made people on below 20,000 poorer and people above richer.

Nat6999 · 14/10/2022 22:34

Labour got hospital waiting lists down by introducing NHS Choose & Book. They also brought in tax credits which helped many low income families as well as Sure Start centres to support struggling & low income families, I benefited from all of these, I had 5 operations under choose & book, I got tax credits when ds was born & had support from Sure Start both when I was suffering from PND & when exh was diagnosed with MS, I had a lovely lady who used to come every week for an afternoon so I could have some time on my own, she supported me when I was thinking the only way out was suicide.