..to think that Labour is rotten from the inside?

[bounceoff]

I’m not a Tory voter, so I’m not posting to say how good they are (cos clearly, very clearly, they’re not!).

Has anybody else listened to The Labour Files on Al Jazeera English? (Link to podcast and web page below)?

Basically Al Jazeera got given years of communications from the Labour Party and investigated it. It details anti-Semitism, but not from Jeremy Corbyn - against even holocaust survivors, deep seated Islamophobia, racism/xenophobia any misogyny. To be honest the Labour Party primed Labour votes to vote Tory.

Labour councillors and members were followed and had files kept on not only their movements, but those of their children.

It actively took steps to avoid Muslim members being elected.

It actively purged members who joined to vote for Corbyn.

Brickgate had no brick ever found.

The list goes on.

I have zero faith in politicians, but this is something quite different. The level of control exerted to stop alternatives views being heard, to prevent democratic processes happening is quite horrifying. There is a clear thread that the party only likes democracy when it’s controlling it.

I have been confused about why the Labour Party lacks so many people of colour in the parliament and this was squarely answered. Same with why there’s not been a female leader. Because from what we hear from the party it makes zero sense. After listening to this report, I’m surprised anybody other than a handful of white men vote for it.

The party seems completely rotten from the core.

AIBU thinking this after listening to the investigation? Anybody else heard it?

www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party

podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/al-jazeera-investigates/id1488977521?i=1000581016758

We already have complete ruination though. At least Labour will support public services - have you read the thread about ambulance waits, it's horrific.

A relative spent 41 hours on a trolley in a&e last weekend before being admitted. They were lucky and had a cubicle. It was shocking, but the staff there, were all bloody amazing.

This looked very broken to me. How will Labour make it worse?

It's no wonder we have low election turnout. No one trusts any of them. Career politicians care more about position and power than the people.

It must be incredibly hard for those who've stood for office because they have a genuine interest in effecting change for their community.

The Tory party in a decade has run this country to the ground and people like you, want to give them another 5 years?

Insane, I have no words for the people who vote Tory and see the dire state the country is in.

I know Labour rotten too but we need a change, and they will bring new ideas to help our public services.

Could you say how you think things will go?

What are your main concerns

Cult of personality strikes again.
Funny how all these dedicated socialists don't really care how much harm the Tories do to the country nearly so much as they can't bear not to have been vindicated.

It's so much easier to stand on the moral high ground banging on about how everything would be better if We were in charge than have to deal with the day to day reality of government.

Michael Foot redux.

Still a far better option than Truss and the lying/cheating/robbing tories.

Politics is Broken in Britain and party politics should be abolished.

We need total electoral reform, sadly that requires either party to be honest and abolish themselves.

One simple law they should bring in is an automatic ban on anyone who wants to be a politician being a politician. Also a complete ban on private schools and Oxbridge PPE graduates being allowed anywhere near politics.

Sadly as we've seen proven repeatedly by all parties - scum rises to the top

You are correct I'm afraid. A campaign was waged inside Labour to stop a true socialist government. Surely this is outright corruption and should be prosecuted. I won't bite Labour again. PR is probably the only hope right now.

It's quite incredible how many posters seem to think that just because the Tories are horrific, Labour is good enough.

And that just because the Tories are horrific, Labour is above criticism.

If all Labour need to do is be ethically marginally better than the party that is decimating our health service, literally facilitated the deaths through its "austerity" model, has parties and calls them "work meetings" while our family members are dying - and the list goes on and on and on - then the bar is so ridiculously low, it's non-existent.

Why on earth are Labour supporters/voters using the Tories as a baseline for what is acceptable behaviour?!!

Oh I dont believe for one moment any political party may be described as innocent, however I would far rather have a 'good enough government than the current one we have which seems to be fuelled by purely evil intentions. If I'm honest I'm fed up with the tabloid style politics too and would prefer a boring but steady crew in charge, which means definitely not Tory.

We need electoral reform so that we have more choice and so that smaller parties can have some proportional power.

The Labour party needs to split, the Tories too, to end the infighting but this would be suicidal under FPTP so it will continue to be rotten on all sides.

No party is perfect, but seriously - Al Jazeera has no agenda in play here? They are the shining beacon of truth and liberty unlike all other media?

Give me a break. They are presenting a conspiracy that doesn't exist. I'd actually be almost impressed if the Labour Party was so well organised that it could run a conspiracy of any kind.

And to be clear, I read / watch Al Jazeera often, because they do have a different slant on things; and I am not a member of the Labour Party. But I do believe that anyone has a corner on the truth - it is always slanted.

I see no realistic alternative to Labour, @bounceoff , and I think Sir Keir Starmer has upped his game recently and now looks like he’s ready to govern.

But enough about us. You haven’t yet presented any positive ideas for moving forward. What’s your plan - who do you think is currently best suited to govern the UK?

Yes, we, certainly, dodged a bullet, with Jeremy Corbyn, in 2019.

The world's most dangerous vegetarian, allotment gardener and jam-maker.

The man revered by socialists, from Chile to Finland - by-passing the UK MSM, of course.

On the morning of GE19, his wife, Laura Alvarez, asked him what he would do first if he became PM. Without hesitation, he replied that he would start a social-house-building programme, to house the homeless.

In addition to that, he would take steps to see that the NHS was fully funded, fully staffed - and - renationalised. In tandem with - and fully integrated with - the NHS, he intended founding a National Care Service, for those leaving NHS care and for those already living in Care Homes, for whatever reason.

This was all in Labour's GE19 Manifesto. If you didn't read it - shame on you.

Welsh Labour picked up the self-same GE19 Manifesto, and used during their Senedd Elections, last year. They won a stellar victory. Mark Drakeford(FM), increasing his own personal majority, by 10,000 votes.

Now, Welsh Labour are the only part of The Labour Party doing what they're supposed to be doing. In government, implementing democratic socialist polices for Wales - while UK Labour and Scottish Labour footer around with internal, adolescent, playground politics.

Meantime, the sabotage of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party is written out of Labour Party history. The betrayal of 600,000 Members, by 172 PLP MP's and a few Labour HQ staff, swept under the carpet. At least, they try to.

Al Jazeera Investigations have provided the service, to the UK public, that has been so lacking from the UK MSM. If you haven't watched the videos, on YouTube, please do. There are the four main videos, lasting about four/four and a half hours, in total. Then, there are various attendant 'comment videos' on the four main videos. Many well known faces. Peter Oborne, for one.

Please, watch them all. Then you decide what kind of country you want your children to grow-up in.

Has everyone lost their marbles? Corbyn is gone, he was just another useless career politician and he was personally antisemitic - that is not up for debate. I'd advise the OP and others to take up a hobby rather than obsess about some grotty failed politician that everyone has forgotten about.

Certain people's obsession with ideological purity on the left is a stron contributing factor in the ongoing election of destructive Tory governments. OP, you're complicit.

Certain people's obsession with ideological purity on the left

Strongly agree. Look at the bunch of swivel eyed fucking loons we’ve ended up with, all because man-of-the-people Johnson ended up to be a lying, incompetent idiot his colleagues couldn’t work with, when it came down to the actual job of running the country.

Alltheprettyseahorses · Today 08:44

Yes, of course, JC is no longer Leader, but he hasn't 'gone'. He's, still, very much around, but, once more, you won't read about it in the UK MSM.

Last week, in Liverpool, he was pulling bigger crowds, and standing ovations, on the - so called - fringe, than The Labour Party were in their 'main event'.

Keep your eyes and ears open.

If they treat their party members that badly imagine how they would treat the general public if they get in and have full authority.

I can’t vote Labour as I see them as currently authoritarian and far left.

Current Labour would be seen as centre-right across most of Europe. A big problem with politics currently is the main choice is centre-right or hard right.

eesy I live in Liverpool and everyone thinks he's a tosser. I also attended quite a few of his rallies back when I was a Labour member and there were never many people there but good camera angles can make you think different I suppose. The only standing ovation I remember him getting was at the start of a meeting in Bootle (not at the end though) and the hall was more than half empty - I was in the last row of people seated - and I remember wondering why people were stood round the gallery but it was obvious why when the photos were released, it made it look crowded when it wasn't.

I find this attitude so depressing and limited. There are so many good people under Starmer in the Labour Party. They’re not ‘right wing’ just because they didn’t agree with everything Corbyn stood for. They could make a real change. But this bitter attitude could split the vote and keep the Tories in.

I voted for Labour under Corbyn even though I couldn’t stand the misogynistic, anti semitic old twit. Because I knew it would be better and certainly wouldn’t be worse than what the Tories have done to this country.

Alltheprettyseahorses · Today 13:13 :

None of that is true, is it? Last week the Tribune gig was packed out, and The World Transformed(TWT). As I said before, he received standing ovation, after standing ovation.

No idea where you were, but it wasn't the same places as me, and about three or four thousand other people.

...and while we're about it - Jeremy Corbyn has not now, nor ever has been a bigot, or a racist, let alone antisemitic. To say so, is a lie which has been disproven time, after time. The most recent have been two official - non-partisan - reports, vindicating JC's position, during his time as Leader of The Labour Party.

People have had the privilege of paying large sums of money, to a JC nominated charity, for saying otherwise.

Just, last week, another libel case - against - JC collapsed, because it was a pack of lies.

Here are some of those 'good camera angles' you mentioned :

As with Blair the Labour Party is once.again a ratchet party and will be nothing more than a place holder so that politics in Britain doesn't slide leftwards again, Blair was just a continuation of Thatcher albeit with a few more smiles and the edges smoothed off and so the Overton window continues to slide rightwards till we get Truss who is on her way to be quasi fascistic, had the right of the PLP worked as hard as they did to undermine him on getting him into government our electricity production, rail service amd broadband supply would be well on its way into nationalisation, Leverson 2 would have been enacted due to the threat our media is having on our democracy but Jerombly Cromblyn ate my hamster