..to think that Labour is rotten from the inside?

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I’m not a Tory voter, so I’m not posting to say how good they are (cos clearly, very clearly, they’re not!).

Has anybody else listened to The Labour Files on Al Jazeera English? (Link to podcast and web page below)?

Basically Al Jazeera got given years of communications from the Labour Party and investigated it. It details anti-Semitism, but not from Jeremy Corbyn - against even holocaust survivors, deep seated Islamophobia, racism/xenophobia any misogyny. To be honest the Labour Party primed Labour votes to vote Tory.

Labour councillors and members were followed and had files kept on not only their movements, but those of their children.

It actively took steps to avoid Muslim members being elected.

It actively purged members who joined to vote for Corbyn.

Brickgate had no brick ever found.

The list goes on.

I have zero faith in politicians, but this is something quite different. The level of control exerted to stop alternatives views being heard, to prevent democratic processes happening is quite horrifying. There is a clear thread that the party only likes democracy when it’s controlling it.

I have been confused about why the Labour Party lacks so many people of colour in the parliament and this was squarely answered. Same with why there’s not been a female leader. Because from what we hear from the party it makes zero sense. After listening to this report, I’m surprised anybody other than a handful of white men vote for it.

The party seems completely rotten from the core.

AIBU thinking this after listening to the investigation? Anybody else heard it?

www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party

podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/al-jazeera-investigates/id1488977521?i=1000581016758

The trouble with Corbyn is he tanked with the electorate so whilst it’s probably nice to see him out talking - for those who did want him to win the majority didn’t

So a centre left party has more hope if Labour want to be in power

Last week, in Liverpool, he was pulling bigger crowds, and standing ovations, on the - so called - fringe, than The Labour Party were in their 'main event'.

Doesn't matter if Corbyn can pack out a room of Labour activists. It matters if he can win an election so we don't get stuck with endless right-wing Tory governments.

Clowns can always pull in large audiences.

Clowns and cultists can always pull in large audiences.

If you had watched the Al Jazeera videos, MarshaBradyo, you would know, both the GE17 and the GE19 elections were sabotaged from within The Labour Party.

A fuller explanation is contained in Oliver Eagleton's book - 'The Starmer Project.'

JC is 'out and about' in more than the UK. We don't see it because it's not covered by any of the UK MSM.

He's spoken, as a guest speaker, at the President of Mexico's weekly press conference.

The Sunday before last, Brazilian voters could be seen wearing 'Corbyn' T-shirts.

He spoke at the Julian Assange demo, in London, on Sunday.

Yesterday, he attended The Council of Europe, in Strasbourg.

Jeremy Corbyn is much more popular than the UK MSM would have you believe.

Listen to any politics panel programme, and it can almost be guaranteed, his name will crop up at some point. No sign of him, just his name.

Don't get the wrong idea. No one is expecting JC to return as Leader of The Labour Party. All that's needed, are his policies. No one has - so far - come up with a better Manifesto, than The Labour Party's GE19 Manifesto.

Starmer won't use any of those policies because of the connection with JC. That's a measure of how adolescent and spiteful Starmer is.

This Labour Party do - not - have my vote, and the same goes for many other people who have done their homework, covering the past seven years.

After 4 years of constant negative press from all sides of media from the guardian on the left to the mail on the right and briefings to the press from the right of the PLP I wonder how well anyone would have done with the electorate in those circumstances, I don't dismiss that he wasn't great but Jesus we ended up with May, Johnson and now Truss, personally he would have been preferable

No amount of trying to save face will ever be good enough to save the Tories. Labour are saints in comparison and think the tide has well and truly changed despite the stirring from the Tories.

Thread's like this should be sent to labour people who should be listening with the biggest listening ears they have ever worn.

It's a gift.

Op I agree, I agree with @Muminabun as well.

Labour scares me! Starmer has done a lot of good work to tackle that hard, unrelenting vicious hard left but Raynor scares me as well.

I just can't bear people who are so extreme that they could say "Tory scum".

People like Rayner are missing understanding!

The response of some poster's on here are like you have insulted their very mother. But if people were scared of your mum and not visiting anymore and she was lonely and perhaps misunderstood... wouldn't you want to help her?

L1ttledrummergirl
A relative spent 41 hours on a trolley in a&e last weekend before being admitted. They were lucky and had a cubicle. It was shocking, but the staff there, were all bloody amazing.
This looked very broken to me. How will Labour make it worse?

In Wales, this patient waited for 41 hours outside Bridgend hospital - at least your relative got inside the building;
it took ambulance crews 41 hours to transfer the care of one patient over to A&E staff at the Princess of Wales Hospital in Bridgend on Monday, September 26.

www.itv.com/news/wales/2022-09-29/patient-waits-nearly-two-days-in-ambulance-before-being-admitted-to-a-and-e

Keir Starmer spoke at a campaign event in Bridgend earlier in the year;

Labour leader Keir Starmer has defended Welsh Labour's record on the NHS in Wales despite the Labour-led Welsh Government giving health services a smaller funding increase in Wales than the NHS in England is receiving.

He said that Labour in Wales has taken the right decisions with the health service in Wales and that he is "proud" of all its decisions.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/put-labours-record-funding-nhs-23600620

This!

I know Clav, it just goes to show how normal its becoming all over Britain.

It's bad though when we are saying someone is lucky to have got a bed in a&e after 41 hours as if it's something to aspire to.

None of those patients should have been waiting anywhere near that length of time. The government needs to be ensuring that adequate funding is available for all parts of the UK to prevent this from happening again.

A great political leader shouldn't draw large crowds. Hitler drew large crowds. Kim Jong Il and his son draw large crowds. Idealogues who promise the earth draw enthusiastic crowds, things always go bad when they actually gain power. Responsible leaders don't make promises they don't keep. They don't pander to the margins, to the people who want a leader they can worship.

I don't think they have ever properly dealt with the appalling anti-Semitism of the Corbyn era. What's worse is that so few of the electorate seemed to care about it.

Doesn't surprise me that the St George's Hall photo came up. It's a relatively small area with a large cenotaph etc in it. Add in the whacking great fire engine Corbyn was stood on, there's not that much room. Here's another example of his photo trickery at the height of supposed Corbynmania www.thetimes.co.uk/article/millionaire-labour-donors-prepare-to-bankroll-new-party-fvcwjk67p
I find it incredibly hard to believe he spoke to four thousand people in Liverpool venues. That's nearly double the Empire, over 5 times the Playhouse, nearly half the massive Arena. Or the full Hall 2 of the ACC conference centre.

As for antisemitism, Corbyn has repeatedly been antisemitic eg the racist 'English irony' comments. Let's not pretend otherwise.

So what if Corbyn pulls in crowds. So does Farage, so will Johnson and no one pleases a crowd in recent years quite like Trump does

Corbyn becoming leader and his supporters keeping him there allowed the Tories to do just as they please and haven’t they just. It was a huge mistake for the party he was way out of his depth, he couldn’t make a decision on the EU (we all know he thoughts on the EU) and look what we are left with and huge Tory majority

Five years utterly wasted by Labour under Corbyn & Co leadership it’s pitiful

Alltheprettyseahorses · Yesterday 20:14 :

...and, now, you claim to know more than the BBC :

Alltheprettyseahorses · Yesterday 20:14 :

One more for the album. Campaigning in York :

Excuse me- are you the Judean People's Front?

75% of local Labour parties voted at their recent conference for PR. Usually if 60% vote for something it's passed. Starmer just shrugged and dismissed the idea. He's an undemocratic careerist Blairite who has hijacked the party.

Show me a political party that isn't.

@Clavinova I'm glad I've found you on a thread, I was missing your copying and pasting.

Please may I offer you one of my own?

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Or @Clavinova if you prefer.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63223894

@Clavinova can you explain why the government is introducing a windfall tax on green energy producers, but not one on fossil fuel polluters?

jgw1
Please may I offer you one of my own?

The next general election could be more than 2 years away (Jan 2025).
A lot can happen in 2 years - Ben Wallace or Boris Johnson might be Prime Minister by then. Does the calculus in your link take account of the 18-20% of respondents who answered "don't know" when asked which party they would vote for?

if you prefer

I am reading mixed reports on this -

The FT said that BoE officials are watching whether the investment managers that help pension funds manage risks in their portfolios have built up enough cash reserves to allow their clients to meet margin calls. The bank will extend support if it sees that fund managers are unable to meet this requirement.

finance.yahoo.com/news/british-pound-rebounds-report-extended-005548321.html

I am not qualified to comment further although I noticed this in the BoE's statement on Monday;

In line with the Bank’s financial stability objective and in order to avoid dysfunction in core funding markets, the purpose of these operations is to enable liability driven investment (LDI) funds to address risks to their resilience from volatility in the long-dated gilt market. LDI funds have made substantial progress in doing so over the past week.

www.bankofengland.co.uk/news/2022/october/bank-of-england-announces-additional-measures-to-support-market-functioning

I also noticed yesterday that the IMF are now predicting that Germany and Italy are going to see less economic growth than the UK next year - that's an improvement on previous predictions claiming the UK would have the lowest economic growth of any major economy bar Russia. The EU must be weighing Germany and Italy down.

Ohhhhh. She's back. Normal service resumed then.