..to think that Labour is rotten from the inside?

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I’m not a Tory voter, so I’m not posting to say how good they are (cos clearly, very clearly, they’re not!).

Has anybody else listened to The Labour Files on Al Jazeera English? (Link to podcast and web page below)?

Basically Al Jazeera got given years of communications from the Labour Party and investigated it. It details anti-Semitism, but not from Jeremy Corbyn - against even holocaust survivors, deep seated Islamophobia, racism/xenophobia any misogyny. To be honest the Labour Party primed Labour votes to vote Tory.

Labour councillors and members were followed and had files kept on not only their movements, but those of their children.

It actively took steps to avoid Muslim members being elected.

It actively purged members who joined to vote for Corbyn.

Brickgate had no brick ever found.

The list goes on.

I have zero faith in politicians, but this is something quite different. The level of control exerted to stop alternatives views being heard, to prevent democratic processes happening is quite horrifying. There is a clear thread that the party only likes democracy when it’s controlling it.

I have been confused about why the Labour Party lacks so many people of colour in the parliament and this was squarely answered. Same with why there’s not been a female leader. Because from what we hear from the party it makes zero sense. After listening to this report, I’m surprised anybody other than a handful of white men vote for it.

The party seems completely rotten from the core.

AIBU thinking this after listening to the investigation? Anybody else heard it?

www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party

podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/al-jazeera-investigates/id1488977521?i=1000581016758

I think Starmer is a manipulative liar.

I heard him talking about how his dad used to work in a factory, and later found out his dad owned the factory. So technically, what he said wasn't untrue, but it was caged in a way to very deliberately give an impression that wasn't true. Honestly I'd rather he just told big whoppers. Because that kind of half truth takes skill and experience and a lot of practice. After that if I heard him say it was raining I would go outside to check.

Tory bot?

If you want corrupt you only have to look at the recent Tory governments.

They are thieving, lying, authoritarian low-lives and some of them even have a penchant for sexual assault.

I totally agree that the Tories are bad. The thing is - and this isn’t to excuse it - they don’t really pretend to be a caring party, a tolerant party etc. Labour on the other hand like to promote it’s inclusivity. Now inclusivity is something I’m all for. But if that’s what you say you’re about, you can’t set up a system to purge party members with a different opinion to you! That’s not inclusivity. You can’t claim people are anti-Semitic for thinking differently to you..when they survived the Holocaust and you’re not even Jewish.

Politics is a dirty business. I’m well aware of that. But does anybody expect the Tories to give a fig about anybody other than their own bank balances and old boys’ network (with the odd woman thrown in the mix)? They run on the principle of making money and keeping the economy booming/building it by whatever means possible (well, until the past few weeks!). But while Labour also claim to want that, they lean into the idea of the Tories being the “nasty party” (which loooks pretty true right now!) as away to differentiate themselves: they’re not the “nasty” party, they care. And who do they care about? Minorities, women, LGB+TQAI etc. But looking at what goes on under the hood of the party, they’re utterly despicable.

That has no reflection at all in how bad the Tories, LibDems or Greens are - they’re all bad! But it means that there’s a very serious issue at the heart of a party that claims to be something it’s inherently not.

I can’t vote Labour as I see them as currently authoritarian and far left. I think many people feel the same way. I have often thought that they are the best member of the Tory party as they are practically forcing voters to vote Tory although many are looking for an alternative. Labour have just consistently failed to capitalise on Tory floundering and quite frankly an often very open goal.

If you want to see the face of modern labour just see the harassment of Tory delegates going into their conference. No doubt all the blessing of the Labour leadership

To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson, you get the politicians you deserve.

This.

If this has come as a surprise to you then you haven't been following politics.
All parties have had issues, the trouble with politics in this country is that we are often given the least worst option instead of the best.

Despite the recent past (and not so recent depending on how far back people go), looking at the policies, manifestos and behaviour of the party leaders and the direction that they want to take the country is my basis for casting my vote.

I want a government (and prime minister)that I can hold to account, not one that lies, puts their mates financial interests before the welfare of the country, or loses billions off the economy within the first month (2 weeks with the break)of being in the job.

My local MP is up to their neck in the stench of poor governance and won't be getting my vote whenever the election is held.

I don't like the idea of free ports and enterprise zones as the main selling points are less tax and removal of red tape- building regs, environmental laws, employment rights- meaning unscrupulous employers can exploit the less fortunate and desperate without any recourse. This will effect every worker within those areas and has the potential to cause much more harm to our country than historic allegations of poor behaviour on the part of some Labour Party members.

I am much closer to voting for Starmers Labour party than I am Corbyns. I have friends who will disagree. Each to their own.

Glad someone came to say this. They are the absolutely worse and just check what Sadiq Khan has made of London. They are not fooling me.

Imo all politicians are lying scheming bastards. It’s part of their nature.
I currently will not vote for any of them.
I cannot decide which option is the lesser evil.
Bring back theMonster Raving Lunatic party, please!!

I've not watched it (yet) but I've always voted in relation to the political theory that I believe to be correct, rather than the party themselves (who are in all cases less than desirable).
People say how they wish a new party could magically be created who are worthy of our votes... they will always have roots in the different theoretical positions in which the core parties are based.
Ultimately, I don't know what I'm trying to say - I'd never trust a politician but it's not the politician I vote for.

I wish the media focused more on the concepts and ideas and less on people and party.

YABU. I always think threads like this are from tory HQ. Given the corruption of the tory government and the detrimental effect on the lives and livelihoods of ordinary people, harping on about perceived slights in the opposition strikes me as disingenuous.

We need the tories out. That means voting for the least worst alternative. Hold your nose if you have to and vote for the party in your constituency that gets the tories out. The country is already on its knees and labour will improve things.

If you want the gap between rich and poor to grow ever more then vote tory.

I can’t vote Labour as I see them as currently authoritarian and far left.

If you see them as currently far left then you really haven't been paying attention.

Politics OP. It's a dirty business no matter what side you find yourself on.

Labour is definitely not far left; it is very authoritarian and has lunged to the right of the Lib Dems. It is definitely in the Tory camp, policy-wise, with Rachel Reeves wanting to clamp down on benefits and send refugees home more quickly. Despicable woman. I think I'll vote Green, but although I don't see them as socialist nationally, there are some good Green councillors in my part of Merseyside (Wirral).

I'm not in any party, but it's obvious to me that your description fits the Tories better. They're definitely rotten inside and out.

No one could be more rotten than the current bunch.

(By which I mean the lying, greedy, immoral tories, obviously.)

I haven't listened to the podcast but have read through th

Oops, posted too soon. Ive read the webpage and honestly can"t see anything on there that is remotely comparable to the misdeeds of the current government.

some supporters of Corbyn were smeared with false accusations of abusive behaviour submitted to the GLU, including homophobia and anti-Semitism, with the stated intention to suspend or expel them from the party

How many supporters is "some"? In what format were the accusations made and what evidence is there about whether they were false? Have those accused taken any legal action?

Alan Dean sounds like a deeply unlikeable person and the contents of his letter seem inappropriate and unprofessional but to smear the whole Labour Party on the basis of the actions of one counsellor and a five-person selection panel seems a little much.

I haven't voted Labour for 20 years so I wouldn't describe myself as an ardent supporter of the party. However, I was excited when Corbyn became leader and remember having high hopes of how there might be a re-shaping of the political landscape but I could not have been more disappointed. He destroyed the electoral capability of the Labour Party. Quite frankly, I'm not at all surprised there were manoeuvrings to get him out. Sadly it took far too long and there was a period of incredible damage to the chances of the Labour Party ever being elected.

I will base my future vote on the policies of the parties and whether I think they will improve the prospects of the country as a whole. I'm considering voting Labour for the first time in a long time.

People who start threads with ‘I’m not a Tory voter’ almost always are 🤣🤣

Yes, but this is mumsnet, so labour (to a thick but vocal minority, but like the country a and on other issues) are innocent. There’s nobody to vote for at the moment. Least worst is shameful in this day and age.

This is why we end up with the Tories constantly. People say there’s no good party to vote for so we might as well just vote for the same thing ad infinitum. Would take Keir Starmer’s labour a million times over what we have now. Jeremy Corbyn needed to go so I can’t judge them harshly for that.

This is tribal bollocks.

If you were a genuine socialist, at this point you would want anyone but the Tories.

The AJ doc would have carried a lot more weight if they hadn't relied on the interviews of some of the most rancid anti-semites associated with Corbyn. Quite telling that not once did they reveal why those being interviewed had been expelled by Labour.