..to think that Labour is rotten from the inside?

[bounceoff]

I’m not a Tory voter, so I’m not posting to say how good they are (cos clearly, very clearly, they’re not!).

Has anybody else listened to The Labour Files on Al Jazeera English? (Link to podcast and web page below)?

Basically Al Jazeera got given years of communications from the Labour Party and investigated it. It details anti-Semitism, but not from Jeremy Corbyn - against even holocaust survivors, deep seated Islamophobia, racism/xenophobia any misogyny. To be honest the Labour Party primed Labour votes to vote Tory.

Labour councillors and members were followed and had files kept on not only their movements, but those of their children.

It actively took steps to avoid Muslim members being elected.

It actively purged members who joined to vote for Corbyn.

Brickgate had no brick ever found.

The list goes on.

I have zero faith in politicians, but this is something quite different. The level of control exerted to stop alternatives views being heard, to prevent democratic processes happening is quite horrifying. There is a clear thread that the party only likes democracy when it’s controlling it.

I have been confused about why the Labour Party lacks so many people of colour in the parliament and this was squarely answered. Same with why there’s not been a female leader. Because from what we hear from the party it makes zero sense. After listening to this report, I’m surprised anybody other than a handful of white men vote for it.

The party seems completely rotten from the core.

AIBU thinking this after listening to the investigation? Anybody else heard it?

www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party

podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/al-jazeera-investigates/id1488977521?i=1000581016758

How far right are you that you see Starmer’s Labour Party as far left?

Complete ruination? Bit dramatic 😂

This is illogical to me.

I separate the internal party issues from the policies. Labour had a period where under Corbyn many positions were taken by his supporters, now that has to be unwound. Internal party politics is like this in every party.

Policies are what will affect voters' lives, not who is on the NEC this week. Every party is made up of factions.

I am more concerned with whether I can get an ambulance/school place/job/home, and Labour offers far more to me than the Tories.

If you really think this, then ironically you're best chance is to vote Labour as they seem to most likely to push through proportional representation instead of first past the post.

Because everyone's vote would count equally it would enable the socialist Labour party to uncouple from the cooperative party and have a bigger chance of getting voted in, on their own terms.

It would also likely reduce the big party's huge majorities, so would reduce the possibility of one party controlling parliament by whipping their MPs to vote a certain way.

Agree we need to get these Tories out. I like Corbyn, but please don't have him on a pedestal so much, the tories get another 4 years to asset strip the country.

Consider the source, and the timing.

Al Jezeera was founded by the Emir of Qatar, who is still the Chairman if the Board. According to Wikipedia, both the State and the Company regard the independence of the Company from the State as ‘relative and conditional.’

Which political party do you think the Emir of Qatar prefers to have in power in Britain? And why do you think this piece is coming out now?

I’m historically Tory but think they are both absolute shit shows at the moment and am far from convinced we wouldn’t be better off with a Labour win next time, certainly wouldn’t be much worse, I’m also coming round to PR, would be fascinated to see if there is a realignment then and if the Tories can lose their ukip wing and Labour their swp one.

You will see!

Typo in your thread title....how silly to mispell Tory like that.

We’ve got by far the most appalling government in many generations now, truly staggering what this lot are getting upto, so I’d say your sense of judgment is awful op, and yabvu.

Still, the smear campaign had to ratchet up a few notches now the Tory party are facing absolute obliteration.

Can't purge alternative views?

Hang on...was I dreaming during the Corbyn years when I was repeatedly called a red Tory for having misgivings about him as a leader, and told to fuck off if I wasn't a "proper" socialist? Did I dream being called a Boris lover by my uncle, when I expressed frustration for Corbyn and therefore Labour's performance during the Brexit referendum? Despite only ever having voted Labour?

I purged myself at that point.

It's only relatively recently that I am considering rejoining now the stark authoritarianism seems to be abating a bit.

@FiveMins the government is not responsible for how Scotland spends its money as they are devolved. Scotland also receives more money per head than England.

Hello Liz Truss - is this how you intend to cling to power?

More rotten than the lot who have been in power for over 12 years and actually decide what happens in this country?

A political party with no power more rotten?

@WanderingDreamingSpires but where does the majority of the money that the Scottish government gives out come from? And who controls that?

OP YANBU and to add to what you’ve said there was also the bullying of Diane Abbot by senior Labour MPs and nothing was done about it when the files were exposed. She herself has described the Labour Party as “not a safe space for black women” and she definitely isn’t a closet Tory!

If I was back in scotland I’d vote for SNP but since I’m here I will hold my nose and vote for Labour at the next GE. But I won’t be happy about it.

Let's keep the Tories for ever then. This country is finished. Who cares.

Labour is led by champagne socialists these days, and has been since Blair. Yes, Corbyn included.

There are certainly some very nasty people on the fringes of Labour, but I don't think the whole party is rotten. The main problem they have is that they've become the anti-Tory party and people dislike the Tories for many different reasons. They'd be better off if they adopted a more positive approach, focus on what they are, instead of what they aren't.

I mean, the types of people who get into politics aren't usually the type of people you actually want in politics, for all parties.

The left are nothing if not hypocrites. Labour live up to this perfectly. Do as a I say, not as a I do.

In the last couple of decades, the left have really developed a sinister core, that’s sugarcoated. Whereas before it was laid bare for all to see. The racism and misogyny is dressed up as saviour syndrome. They want minorities and women to know their place, be victims keep them suppressed so they can fighter the good fight for the oppressed while looking virtuous. They want two thing more than for Black people to stay in the ghettos, for Muslims to be segregated, for women to be victims.

If a black or brown person does well for themselves and chooses not to follow the narrative, they are called a coconut, or ‘superficially black’. If a woman does well for herself and dares to hold an opinion, she is the devil, like JK Rowling. It used to be that the far left were nutters, even mainstream left is now insidious.

Are you saying it’s not true? Or do you just not like it.

Why? How they do worse than knocking billions off the price of pensions, putting mortgage rates up and causing the bank of England to pledge up to £65billion, yes billion to stop the country from bankruptcy?

How can they do worse than pledging to remove us from the court of human rights and all the basic freedoms that we take for granted as a result?

How can they do worse than creating areas within the UK that work outside of UK law?

Thats without the fuckwittery around covid, the general attitude of one rule for you but no rules for us, the fast tracking of dodgy ppe contracts in return for donations to the tory party, the party on the eve of Prince Philips funeral as well as the rest, the lying and obfuscation of facts to parliament.

I would love to know how they can possibly be worse.

@Kellie45

This isn’t new it’s just packaged in sensational headlines

who is behind this the far left still wittering on about the saviour of Labour (who lost two elections one being the worse loss for Labour in 80 odd years) being sacrificed nonsense

and as for party membership purges when Corbyn took over Labour meetings were taken over by bullying left wing so called socialist fraction let’s not forgot the damage that was done we are living it with the Tories having such a huge majority

@sst1234 The public record says that Al Jazeera has only ‘relative and conditional’ independence from the Qatari government, and the Emir of Qatar is the Chairman of its Board.

I strongly suggest that the Qatari government prefer the Tories to Labour as the governing party of Britain. There is nothing time sensitive in the article, so one does have to wonder why it is coming out as the Tories are at an all time low in the polls.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of the article, which is mainly that it is incredibly shallow. I would have thought it had come from the Daily Fail or the Sun if I had not seen
the source, and I write that as someone who has occasionally found Al Jazeera to have good reporting. Whether I ‘like’ it or not is hardly the point. I definitely want a place for high quality journalism I disagree with. This isn’t it.

YABVU to take Qatari state media Al Jazeera as news

Sounds like you have a lot of detailed knowledge.. I will reinforce my tinfoil hat in preparation.