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Why do women hate an OW?

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Oatmealbiscuits · 08/10/2022 17:47

When a woman is seeing a married man, why do people say they wouldn't want her as a friend, in their lives anymore etc? Why are they judged solely on one thing when there may be so many other positives to their character.

I'm curious really, for the record I'm not an other woman, but my friend is. It's her business and I shall be there when the shit inevitably hits the fan.

If some posters on here had their way, she wouldn't have friends and would be isolated and lonely. I just don't think anyone deserves that when in reality it's the man who has taken vows.

OP posts:
MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:02

Meili04 · 11/10/2022 11:58

Because wives//partners worry the OW will want to steal their man (subconsciously) so it's gatekeeping. Many women see their partners as possessions who can be stolen.

I think this is correct. Eg see @ViolinPin comments about the ow taking the money and “inheritance” away.

Gotskeaswr · 11/10/2022 12:04

‘If you want to fight misogyny.....

Do it with your knickers down with a married man’

weirdest thing I’ve read on MN for a while, and that’s saying something.
I’d suggest heading over to the feminism board for better, more practical tips.

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:08

Amybelle88 · 11/10/2022 11:43

@MsPincher

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY on this thread is solely blaming the OW.

2 way street.

The OW is complicit. He's the cheater, but she's knowingly par taking in something that hurts another person. Same theory stands for same sex couples.

She’s not responsible for the cheating as he can always say no. Same as in same sex couples.

The cheater is responsible solely for his conduct. He is not “tempted away” by an evil creature. He chooses to cheat.

Amybelle88 · 11/10/2022 12:12

@MsPincher

Ah a reverse of the whole "if there were no dirty women, there wouldn't be any dirty men" argument.

Absolute bullshit.

Adults are responsible for their own behaviour, yes.

A woman who knowingly goes with a married man or woman is responsible and culipible for hurting another human being and as @Skydaze has said, taking away their bodily autonomy.

It's abuse and she's party to it.

End of.

ViolinPin · 11/10/2022 12:15

Not be able to provide one other example where 2 people take part in
abuse or any poor behaviour but only one is deemed to have any
responsibility at all

Excellent point and post @Hearthnhome

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:21

Amybelle88 · 11/10/2022 12:12

@MsPincher

Ah a reverse of the whole "if there were no dirty women, there wouldn't be any dirty men" argument.

Absolute bullshit.

Adults are responsible for their own behaviour, yes.

A woman who knowingly goes with a married man or woman is responsible and culipible for hurting another human being and as @Skydaze has said, taking away their bodily autonomy.

It's abuse and she's party to it.

End of.

Don’t be ridiculous. An ow doesn’t take away anyones “bodily autonomy” or “abuse” them. That’s just silly. It’s also awful to blame women for mens abuse.

roestbruin · 11/10/2022 12:25

whumpthereitis · 11/10/2022 11:58

Outside of the laws we are bound to, of course it does. Someone can believe I’m beholden to the teachings of Odin, means fuck all to me unless I also subscribe to that view. Same principle applies 🤷🏻‍♀️

Quite! So, you didn't know what we were talking about? Don't worry about it.

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:27

ViolinPin · 11/10/2022 12:15

Not be able to provide one other example where 2 people take part in
abuse or any poor behaviour but only one is deemed to have any
responsibility at all

Excellent point and post @Hearthnhome

Two people are not though. One is married to their spouse and is cheating on them. The other is a stranger to the spouse and has no duty to them. Quite different things.

The ow who knows the mm is married is doing the same as the ow who doesn’t. Some men cheat with sex workers who don’t care if their clients are married or not (and why should they).

ultimately men must take responsibility for their own harmful behavior. They cannot blame it on women.

Hearthnhome · 11/10/2022 12:27

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 11:35

You made all of that up. No one said any of that. What is misogynist is blaming women for mens cheating. You cannot hold the entire female population of the world responsible for your dh keeping it in his pants. He needs to take sole responsibility for that.

I didn’t make any of that up.

They are all things that have happened on this thread.

Who is talking about my dh? I don’t have one. I don’t want to get married. It weakens my financial position.

But if the only rebuttal is ‘you must be just insecure and not trust your (non existent) husband’ , you clearly have no point to make. Maybe try harder.

How is that any different to ‘if you defend OW you must be one’ that was called ridiculous earlier in the thread.

Strawberrysundaeonamonday · 11/10/2022 12:28

You can definitely tell who the OW are on this thread! Desperate to take no accountability for their actions at all. I wonder if they think getaway drivers in crimes are innocent too, after all the getaway driver didn’t do the crime?

ViolinPin · 11/10/2022 12:31

Gotskeaswr · 11/10/2022 12:04

‘If you want to fight misogyny.....

Do it with your knickers down with a married man’

weirdest thing I’ve read on MN for a while, and that’s saying something.
I’d suggest heading over to the feminism board for better, more practical tips.

It's what you believe though isn't it, that true emancipation will only come by not having a concience, morals or empathy.

So you are saying freedom from social, leagal, and political restaints can only be achieved by sexual liberation to the point whereby you actively harm one of your own kind .....women.

The same women you purport to love and protect with strong conviction ?

Well don't ever back me up I don't need that kind of false of support system.

You are a bunch of hypocrytes, hiding behind your only defence of misogyny.
You are the biggest bunch of women haters I know.

Hearthnhome · 11/10/2022 12:32

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:27

Two people are not though. One is married to their spouse and is cheating on them. The other is a stranger to the spouse and has no duty to them. Quite different things.

The ow who knows the mm is married is doing the same as the ow who doesn’t. Some men cheat with sex workers who don’t care if their clients are married or not (and why should they).

ultimately men must take responsibility for their own harmful behavior. They cannot blame it on women.

Two people are though.

If a man is berating his wife in the street and a woman joins in the abuse of her, would the think the woman joining in isn’t to blame?

Name one situation where 2 people are involved in harming someone else and only one would hold any responsibility?

Fact is, you can’t.

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:32

Hearthnhome · 11/10/2022 12:27

I didn’t make any of that up.

They are all things that have happened on this thread.

Who is talking about my dh? I don’t have one. I don’t want to get married. It weakens my financial position.

But if the only rebuttal is ‘you must be just insecure and not trust your (non existent) husband’ , you clearly have no point to make. Maybe try harder.

How is that any different to ‘if you defend OW you must be one’ that was called ridiculous earlier in the thread.

you definitely did make those things up. The “you” doesn’t necessarily mean you personally. “One” cannot simply expect the entire female world population to stop ones dh putting it about. I’m afraid men must take responsibility for their own actions.

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:35

Hearthnhome · 11/10/2022 12:32

Two people are though.

If a man is berating his wife in the street and a woman joins in the abuse of her, would the think the woman joining in isn’t to blame?

Name one situation where 2 people are involved in harming someone else and only one would hold any responsibility?

Fact is, you can’t.

some having sex with a mm isn’t involved in harming the wife as I said though. She’s not married to her and has no duty to her at all. She may not know he’s married. She may not care (eg a prostitute desperate for money). It’s not on her to keep him to his marital vows.

Amybelle88 · 11/10/2022 12:37

Oh it's becoming painful now 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

Hearthnhome · 11/10/2022 12:38

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:32

you definitely did make those things up. The “you” doesn’t necessarily mean you personally. “One” cannot simply expect the entire female world population to stop ones dh putting it about. I’m afraid men must take responsibility for their own actions.

Ops I didn’t make it up.

It’s all in the thread in black and white. You can keep saying ‘that didn’t happen’ but it doesn’t make it true.

ah so now anyone who doesn’t want to be friends with someone who is an OW must just not trust their husband. Talk about small mindedness.

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:38

ViolinPin · 11/10/2022 12:31

It's what you believe though isn't it, that true emancipation will only come by not having a concience, morals or empathy.

So you are saying freedom from social, leagal, and political restaints can only be achieved by sexual liberation to the point whereby you actively harm one of your own kind .....women.

The same women you purport to love and protect with strong conviction ?

Well don't ever back me up I don't need that kind of false of support system.

You are a bunch of hypocrytes, hiding behind your only defence of misogyny.
You are the biggest bunch of women haters I know.

Some of your posts have been very misogynist and overall pretty ghastly. Sorry your dh cheated- that’s was his fault though. Stop raging at women because of it.

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:40

Hearthnhome · 11/10/2022 12:38

Ops I didn’t make it up.

It’s all in the thread in black and white. You can keep saying ‘that didn’t happen’ but it doesn’t make it true.

ah so now anyone who doesn’t want to be friends with someone who is an OW must just not trust their husband. Talk about small mindedness.

Emm yeah you also made up that stuff in your post above about trusting husbands etc. I didn’t say that either as it clearly set out above.

maybe stop digging.

roestbruin · 11/10/2022 12:40

@MsPincher No you're making things up by denying these things were said, they were and you know they were. We've seen some shit on this thread.
You're lying your head off post after post and expect to be taken seriously?

Since you don't get it, it's worth repeating that men are 100% responsible for their own actions and choices.
So are OW.
Have you not noticed you can't stop pp having an opinion about both?

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:42

Strawberrysundaeonamonday · 11/10/2022 12:28

You can definitely tell who the OW are on this thread! Desperate to take no accountability for their actions at all. I wonder if they think getaway drivers in crimes are innocent too, after all the getaway driver didn’t do the crime?

Lol!

Hearthnhome · 11/10/2022 12:43

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:35

some having sex with a mm isn’t involved in harming the wife as I said though. She’s not married to her and has no duty to her at all. She may not know he’s married. She may not care (eg a prostitute desperate for money). It’s not on her to keep him to his marital vows.

Yes, they are involved in harming someone else.

2 people are taking part in an action that’s directly causing someone harm. One person may hold less responsibility. But they are responsible for their own actions.

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:44

roestbruin · 11/10/2022 12:40

@MsPincher No you're making things up by denying these things were said, they were and you know they were. We've seen some shit on this thread.
You're lying your head off post after post and expect to be taken seriously?

Since you don't get it, it's worth repeating that men are 100% responsible for their own actions and choices.
So are OW.
Have you not noticed you can't stop pp having an opinion about both?

I’m not at all lying and my posts are clear to see as are yours. I absolutely agree that men are responsible for their own choices as I have said many times.

Hearthnhome · 11/10/2022 12:45

MsPincher · 11/10/2022 12:40

Emm yeah you also made up that stuff in your post above about trusting husbands etc. I didn’t say that either as it clearly set out above.

maybe stop digging.

You talked about concern about husbands putting it about.

If you are concerned about your husband putting it about, you don’t trust them.

not rocket science. It’s like you aren’t even trying

Gotskeaswr · 11/10/2022 12:46

There are clearly a few women in here who’ve been really damaged by the break down if their relationship, and for whatever reason think it’s all down to the OW.
If she hadn’t have come along and stolen their DHs everything would have been fine… doubt it though.
their anger is deffo misplaced.

roestbruin · 11/10/2022 12:47

@MsPincher You just think only men should be judged on their actions, not OWs.

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