To think that JK Rowling is a lioness of epic proportions?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

I don't think I'm being unreasonable. She's put everything out there to safeguard children in the face of vile misogyny and cowardice from many of her fellow writers.

She also always has beautiful hair.

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Rubbish.

dian Why is it rubbish?

JKR is popular and for every negative comment I see about her on SM there are 20+ positive ones.

Nobody here is obsessed with transwomen frankly we would rather not have to think about transpeople at all and just get on with our day and our business but the trans movement have forced us in to this position by denying women consultation on their TW actions which has a negative impact on us and our children.

When we are told humans can change sex, shut up and suck my girl dick, die in a grease fire and are arrested for wrong think not to mention have the word women redefined in order to include the patriarchy then we are going to speak up about it. Why should we stay silent?

Let's analyse this further.

We all know that the demographic MOST likely to suffer abuse are women, women are murdered at the rate of approx 2 per week.

We also know that trans women are no less likely to commit violent crime than any other males :

MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence. The group had no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or for violent offending. The group examined were those who committed to surgery, and so were more tightly defined than a population based solely on self-declaration

from committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

We know that trans women have been placed in women's prisons based on SELF ID alone and have gone on to abuse women there.

Remind me again which demographic is the most vulnerable?

I am not going to say that no trans person has never attacked a vulnerable women because obviously evil people exist everywhere. However, in the great majority of cases it is the way around and trans men and women are the ones being attacked even though they have done nothing to deserve it and are just trying to live their lives. I bet no trans person has ever done anything to you and yet you spend hours of your time obsessing about them.

Are they really though? I mean being attacked? Where are the stats and figures? I process a vast amount of police reports every day and the majority is crimes committed by males - against females and other males. I've yet to read one about a trans identifying person being attacked for being precisely that. How can a woman tell?

Why should a woman be made to feel uncomfortable because a man just 'wants to life their life'? Why are his feelings more important?

Do you also not understand about safeguarding? That some of the many bad men I read about everyday will use self ID to access and harm woman? Is it really that difficult to understand?

A few years ago, I posted a couple of tweets about a situation I was in regarding a family member (no details, totally outing as the tweets are out there still). JKR sent me a message in support and we had a lovely conversation. I hadn't tagged her or anything, she'd obviously seen my tweets as they were tagged with a trending topic which obviously interested her. It was lovely simply because someone took the time to do that - it would've been just as lovely whoever has done it.

Oh and she's brave and fearless and fantastic, too.

@dianthus101 you're correct in saying evil people exist everywhere. You're also correct in saying the majority of trans people just want to live their lives. The problem is that, in order to really protect a minority or vulnerable group, it has to be recognised why they are so vulnerable. Trans people have trodden a very different path in their lives to people who are not trans. Transwomen are NOT women, and saying that they are is a lie. Queer theory is dangerous, deliberately divisive and a problem for all of us.

dianthous when you say attacked what do you mean by that?

We have been told that misgendering is literal violence.

Women were threatened by Sussex Police last week for correctly sexing a Paedophile, they were told that they might be committing a hate crime.

Is that the kind of attack you mean?

And this obsession thing, well yes, i am quite obsessed to retain women's rights. If trans people would treat women as full human beings and quietly get on with their lives without imposing on our spaces or even if they wanted to fight for third spaces, I would happily fight for that with them. As it is this situation is not going away and women will NOT STFU.

And sorry who is attacking who?

I'll repost here.

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Women fighting to retain sex based rights v rape and death threats.

Good, solid answer!

That's an absolute delusional lie. Women are attacked, trans people are the most protected and privileged lobby group there is.

Women don't threaten trans women with rape threats or death threats, trans women and TRAs threaten us. They turn up at our meetings, use their male bodies to intimidate us, shout in our faces, throw stink bombs.... Two TRAs are being investigated by police for planning to burn down a hall where women were going to meet. Attached are photos of abuse of women from trans women and TRAs. Don't even DARE suggest trans women are being attacked. They are the attackers. Women, don't threaten others with rape. We don't attempt to physically intimidate men and trans women. It's the other way around. You are gaslighting and employing DARVO.

And here you are with that desperate old trope that any woman who fears for her basic civil human rights is 'obsessed'. Could you use an argument beyond the level of a 9 year old?

@dianthus101 receipts for your claim please. I am quite sure that if a trans person was attacked or murdered this would be ALL OVER the media. The Guardian would certainly not let it slip past the public consciousness.
Meanwhile a woman is murdered every two to three days in the U.K.
It seems quite obvious to me which is the most at risk group.

J K Rowling is an immensely brave and wonderful woman. I am so grateful for everything she has done for women’s rights, for vulnerable children and through her books for the population as a whole. Amazing.

And just to add a big cheer for Daley Thompson, who speaks publicly in support of J K Rowling and Sharron Davies, and for keeping sports sex segregated in the interests of fair opportunity for women. We love you too, Daley.

However, in the great majority of cases it is the way around and trans men and women are the ones being attacked even though they have done nothing to deserve it and are just trying to live their lives. I bet no trans person has ever done anything to you and yet you spend hours of your time obsessing about them.

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I need to unpick this because yes I agree that people should live their lives to the max but we all have a responsibility to consider how our choices/wants affect others. In terms of being attacked and us being obsessed, what I see around here is (mainly) women robustly challenging the choices and decisions of a group who don't seem to examine the impact they have on safe spaces for women and girls.

There is no other group in society afforded this entitlement, why are they different?

But I have to roll my eyes at the hyperbole around trans people bring attacked/having their existence denied ... what does this actually mean?

I'd bet my house that actually real physical and verbal attacks on biological females far outnumber those on trans people

Rene that is such a cute turnip though

I know most women on here believe in fairness in sports, which as well as not pitting male bodies (even slightly artificially hobbled ones) against female ones, also means fair fights. I looked at the level of debate we are receiving and made sure the opponent was an equal match for the contender.

Well, I did the best I could. Ding ding.

My, what big leaves he has

I bet no trans person has ever done anything to you and yet you spend hours of your time obsessing about them.

This demonstrates such limited understanding of what's going on here. Posters aren't obsessing about trans individuals. But about the impact that TRA demands have on women's rights and safety.

Plenty of trans individuals see this also, Debbie Hayton is a good, high profile example.

Giving male bodied people access to female spaces makes women less safe. This is a particular issue for vulnerable women, abuse victims, prisoners, rape victims. What I can't understand is why society cares so little for these women?

Ha. It really isn’t. I don’t need to try to convince you, but it’s 100% true. I was despairing to her about her generation and she ranted back at me, saying everyone her age she knows KNOWS trans women are trans women and the media narrative of an entire generation believing sex doesn’t matter etc is - in her opinion (which is more up to date, relevant and informed than yours, being - y’know - OF THAT GENERATION herself) utter lies.

but you keep saying its ‘rubbish’

the tide is finally turning ladies, keep the faith!

Right side of history indeed...........

Some absolutely stellar work from Suzanne Moore, as usual. How do you select quotes when every sentence is bang on?

Gosh ;Rene that's quite a difficult read.

For me this is the stand out passage,

I don’t feel vindicated. I feel violent. You, any of you, could have known this: you could have thought, you could have read, you could have stopped for one second caring about what is fashionable and thought instead about what is right.

To put into context for those who won't read, Moore is talking about all of the handmaidens and others who have jumped on the bandwagon rather than applying critical though to the harm being caused to vulnerable children in the name of Trans Rights.

This has been happening in plain sight.

To those who are still sticking to their guns and saying that trans people are 'the most oppressed' please engage your brains and really think about what we are objecting to.

Using a pen name is not the same as 'presenting as a man'.

Don't read this too soon after eating.