To think that JK Rowling is a lioness of epic proportions?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

I don't think I'm being unreasonable. She's put everything out there to safeguard children in the face of vile misogyny and cowardice from many of her fellow writers.

She also always has beautiful hair.

NYANBU

YYABUTQ+

My children primary and secondary age children love her work.

I think a few grand each for a gold star method of diagnosis for gender dysphoria would have absolutely no problem being recommended for use in the NHS. When one considers the costs involved in diagnostics generally that looks like an absolute bargain! And just think, it would put an immediate stop to the whole problem of detransitioners, there'd be no conflict of rights, no increased risk to women in prisons, hospital wards, loos, or changing rooms. By golly! Give Winecrispschocolatecats a Nobel, stat!

One wonders why they haven't already done it?! 🤔

The difference is, you see, being gay, left handed or a musical prodigy has squat-all effect on anybody else and does not impinge upon women's sex-based rights to protected spaces in sports, prisons and changing rooms for their safety, dignity and equal opportunity.

If a male person thinks they feel like a woman, I don't care how they dress or what they call themselves. If they want access to spaces where women undress, or are incarcerated, or are competing in a sport, that's rather different.

But given it's so demonstrably easy to prove one is trans, why wouldn't a trans person pay to have the test and therefore have all the proof they need to get a GRC? I know I would.

And why must this be forced upon those women who will be excluded from spaces if those spaces can't remain single sex? Why is an additional, gender neutral, third space not good enough?

If I was alone in a public toilet and someone came in who looked, to me, like a man, I might be nervous. If it's in a cafe or busy environment I would probably ignore it. Some public toilets are very quiet or feel insecure, though. It's a conundrum, although nobody is policing sex segregated places anyway, so I have no control over who uses them. I can't ask staff to check people's sex, and these places are often unstaffed.

So we can't accept what the doctor or midwife noted their sex was at birth.

It's not a mental health issue even though it's literally all in their brain, so it's basically offensive to offer therapy to accept the body they're in.

We could pay for a chromosome test but obviously in 99% of cases it'll reflect back what we already know - that the person with a penis in front of us is, in fact, male.

So it all boils down to we have to take what they say as truth?

What I want to know is, if we have yo accept everything everyone says as truth re gender, does that go for anything else as well, or is it just gender no one would ever ever lie about for nefarious reasons? If someone tells me they are a Nigerian prince wanting to give me lots of money, am I supposed to believe them as well?

Dunno. How many somatostatin-expressing neurons does he have?

In other words: Yes, this failsafe, gold standard test exists (despite being carried out only on a small and unrepresentative sample of people and not controlling for ongoing hormone therapy) but let's not use it.

Good question. I mean, I can't imagine why a person might lie?!

Thank god for JK, she has probably touched (and saved) more lives than can be calculated. I hope she reads this thread if ever she’s feeling shite x

This comment though:

"For those who leap on this response to say "it's all in their heads then" please consider that so is being gay, autistic, prodigiously gifted for example"

I mean, where to start with that?...

Shes very happy to present as a man to make more money...

JK Rowling is the best! Thank you, Jo.

Shes very happy to present as a man to make more money

🤦‍♀️

Christ, we're stopping to this kind of bollocks are we? Is that honestly the best you can do?

Are you talking about having a pen name?

That's scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit, isn't it?

Oh God not this shite again. She took on an androgynous pen name on her first publisher's advice because they thought her sales would suffer if kids knew she was a woman, since everyone knows what a woman is when it suits them. As any fule kno. She then took on a male name for the Strike novels because she wanted to see how she'd sell when people didn't know it was her. Again, as any fule kno.

It doesn't even begin to compare to trying to destroy single sex spaces and sex-based rights. Do you think this is a "gotcha" as opposed to a very embarrassing false equivalence?

Shes very happy to present as a man to make more money...

Ask yourself precisely what is wrong with this picture.

My sister is at uni and tells me that her generation actually love jk, and get really pissed off at everyone thinking they’ve drunk the koolaid

we love you, jo!

Yep, she presents as a man in order to force her way into male-only spaces and force men who have suffered sexual assault and rape by women to feel uncomfortable. She's demanding to be referred to as a man and trying to get people sacked if they say she's a women.

No, hang on a minute. That's not what she's doing.

I think I'm on the point of spotting the flaw in your equivalence.

@dianthus101 You mean attacking vulnerable women, who have never done anything to trans people? Unless you are gaslighting and practicing DARVO by suggesting a group of people who are trying to remove vulnerable womens rights are 'victims' somehow.

@Winecrispschocolatecats That is outdated and misinformed rubbish. There is no such thing as a 'mans brain' or a 'womans brain'.
theconversation.com/you-dont-have-a-male-or-female-brain-the-more-brains-scientists-study-the-weaker-the-evidence-for-sex-differences-158005

Another JKR fan here.

She’s amazing 👏🏻

Wine
I had a look at the second study you linked and it's very interesting.
These are the main points.

1. The study states several times that there are only 2 sexes male & female. It does not at any point state a 3rd or 4th sex or that any of the brains they studied were anything other than male or female. This is interesting as it blows the whole "there are more than 2 sexes" theory out the water.
2. The study linked uses the theory and method from a previous study to come to the conclusion that transpeople have brains sexed to that of the opposite sex...or the brain of the sex they are transing to. So you need to read the previous study in order to understand how they reached the previously mentioned conclusion.
3. The previous study was conducted using MRI scans from children aged 6 to 17. They wanted to see if the brains of children were always "sexed" to match the body and if this changed over time. The decided to use a measurement that was 0 for 100% female brain and 1 for 100% male brain. They also decided that in order to incorporate their findings the measurement would be a scale of femaleness & maleness. So if the study showed a brain measure 0.4 that was a more female brain as it showed more femaleness and one that measured 0.7 was a more male brain.
4. This previous study also showed an increase in malenees/femaleness during in puberty. They concluded that puberty excelorates the development of the brain due to hormones. Kind of shows why blocking puberty is not healthy for the brain development of children....
5. The conclusion of the first study was that children's brains aged 6 showed few sex differences between boys & girls and the sex difference noted in puberty age children were due to the influx of sex hormones naturally produced and preference to liking certain images that are deemed only liked by females or males which was less present in 6 year olds but more present in teens.
6. So the study you linked that "proves" transpeople have brains that are more in line with the opposite sex is actually based on the previous study that states brains show a level of maleness/femaleness determined by a made up scale they used to make their research fit they wanted conclusion.

It's not the gotcha you believe. The study is also littered with "this suggests" "could possibly indicate" "may prove" but nothing concrete other than the statement that there are only 2 sexes male and female which they repeate consistently across both studies.

This really isn't the gotcha you think it is.

Sigh.

I am not going to say that no trans person has never attacked a vulnerable women because obviously evil people exist everywhere. However, in the great majority of cases it is the way around and trans men and women are the ones being attacked even though they have done nothing to deserve it and are just trying to live their lives. I bet no trans person has ever done anything to you and yet you spend hours of your time obsessing about them.