To think that JK Rowling is a lioness of epic proportions?

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I don't think I'm being unreasonable. She's put everything out there to safeguard children in the face of vile misogyny and cowardice from many of her fellow writers.

She also always has beautiful hair.

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Hey CW112 👋
Could you expand on how you think she's harmful to trans kids and their families?

JKR is an amazing woman: intelligent, inspiring, and brave.

she stands up to bullies
she donates millions to charity
She is a self-made woman, who survived grinding poverty and has never forgotten how grim life can be for so many people
she will not be silenced by those seeking to deny the bleeding obvious.

we need more people like her.

Its also led to a huge increase in children accessing those medications online and taking them in unsafe and unregulated ways which is really dangerous. So yes that is harmful.

I forgot this. This pitiful argument can be used for crystal meth or heroin. It leads to an increase in people networking on the internet to gain access to dangerous illicit drugs.

It does not make it right.

I thought that this would be a thread about JK Rowling books but it is just the usual attempt by the same old posters to have an argument with anyone who isn't transphobic.

So we should make something dangerous legal in case children do it illegally?

I thought that this would be a thread about JK Rowling books but it is just the usual attempt by the same old posters to have an argument with anyone who isn't transphobic.

Are you going to help us all out by pointing out anything JKR has said that is transphobic? C'mon, I dare you.

Where's the transphobia please?

Have you read the stats on suicide and attempted suicide rates among trans individuals, they are exceptionally high and most cite lack of support, understanding and access to medical provision as a large reason for that. For me, that's a decision that needs to be made between medical providers, parents and absolutely I do think young people need and deserve to be consulted and their views taken into consideration. I've worked with a large number of actively suicidal young people who when they opened up about being trans and accessing supports like binders etc their suicide attempts stop. For me if it's deemed safe and appropriate for them to access puberty blockers by medical professionals until they are able to access the relevant counselling then yes I'd rather they stayed alive in the first instance to then get the option of deciding whether or not to proceed. But by taking away options, we are increasing suicidal ideation and driving young people to unregulated meds which does god knows how much damage. I'm not saying the system is prefect- it needs massively overhauled in terms of how gender identity is addressed and better support available but working within what's currently on the table I think we're between a rock and a hard place. I don't think anyone is telling kids they are wrong or needing fixing... but when a young person is in so much distress that they'd rather die than continue as they are that needs to be addressed seriously.

Have you read the stats on suicide and attempted suicide rates among trans individuals

Isn't that data all highly disputed / debunked? And what about suicide rates among regretful transitioned?

I thought it would be an appreciation thread

But then some posters arrived and said JKR was transphobic and then refused to clarify what they meant by it

Guess we are both disappointed in how it turned out...disappointed but not surprised as it always happens

So If a teenage girl came to you and said she identified as fat but her parents didn’t believe her, and they kept making her eat, and this made her want to kill herself, would you refer her to weightwatchers behind her parents backs and give her weight loss tips?

It's clearly upsetting you way more than it upsets me. I don't care about same sex toilets. I don't care who identifies as what gender. I don't care what somebody else's genitals look like.

I am very happy that this poster has the privilege not to care about anyone's sex.

I don't think this poster's good fortune to have avoided the many ways male people impose themselves on female, from the worst of physical attacks (rape, femicide), through belittlement and coercive control, to the daily grind of male people talking over us, or monopolising our time, or underestimating our abilities and generally making our lives a little bit harder to make their own a little bit easier...

I don't think this poster's good fortune to have avoided all the above gives them any right to deny single sex support to the many many female people who have experienced this, who are upset when male privilege encroaches on them, who do care about same sex toilets, who do care who identifies as what gender if this allows them to override protections and rights based on sex, and who do care what somebody else's genitals look like if they are likely to be alone and vulnerable with that person, or share an intimate space with them.

We know eating disorders are very different than identifying as transgender so let's not try to compare the two shall we?

How so? How is one dysphoria treatable by affirmation and the Other not?

We know eating disorders are very different than identifying as transgender so let's not try to compare the two shall we?

In that we apply basic safeguarding principles to the management of eating disorders, but not transgender?

How are you not appalled by this?

both may be a big flag for mental health issues arising from various problems.

@dianthus101 You mean a usual attempt by people who want to accuse vulnerable women who want to keep our human rights that our foresister feminists fought for as 'transphobic'. Have you even read this thread?

But by taking away options,

But nobody is taking away options.
What is now starting to happen is that children and young people are not being put on a medical pathway after only 2 short appointments.
They are not being encouraged to see surgery as the only option.

If someone is suicidal then that is a mental health problem and they need proper mental health support by professionals. What they don't need it to be prescribed drugs to halt their natural development or to be offered free breadt ironing wear without parental consent.

@Hoppinggreen No, that is the argument I was making. We should not make it legal.

I'd still like clarification on exactly what comments JKR has made on the treatment of TG kids.

But puberty blockers such as Lipton have been shown to be highly dangerous have they not? Wasn’t Lupron considered to dangerous to give to pedophiles to chemically castrate them? Didn’t it cause horrendous problems when it was given to women with cancers? So why would anyone give it to children?

I know @CatsandFish , I was agreeing with your argument with another poster
Its the way the new quote system works now, it’s not always clear

lupron even. Lipton is innocent

Cw122

Thank you for engaging .

As the mother of an autistic girl who is non gender conforming I find it horrifying that false suicide statistics are being used to justify sterilising and removing the breasts of girls like my daughter.

Have you read the Cass report about the proportion of children who identify as trans who have autism or other things going on in their lives that make them especially vulnerable?

Do you think it is kind to these children to put them on this kind of pathway without questioning why they identify as trans?

Do you think it is appropriate to call people (mostly women) who point these concerns out transphobic?

@Cw112 Yes, we have. Statistics show most suicides and attempted suicides are after they have 'transitioned'. Not allowing that PREVENTS suicide attempts and suicides. Accessing puberty blockers that make them infertile is an increased risk.

Also the argument that they will suicide if they don't get access to puberty blockers and surgery is the same emotionally manipulative argument that men use when women leave them. 'If you leave me I will end my life.'. Or with children, 'if you don't me play stations/whatever I want, I will kill myself.' It is emotionally abusive manipulation. Part of being an adult is about ignoring that emotionally manipulative rhetoric. Especially since children who transition are at a much, much higher risk of suicide than those who aren't able to access the drugs and surgery.