Not to like the Globe Theatre calling me a bitch?

[EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn]

OK, not to my face. But following the non-binary Joan of Arc play they’ve shared a ‘terfs stop being transphobic challenge’ referring to anyone who doesn’t believe in gender identity as a bitch.

It’s a shame. I’ve been to some amazing plays at the Globe. But they’ve made their position on feminists pretty clear, so I won’t be going back.

twitter.com/The_Globe/status/1577694873204973569?t=4hr_PKJE3MY0_9-1x3oFvQ&s=19

Right, I've read it several times, I'm not sure if I'm meant to be blind or not (if i am at least i won't have to read it again). I think everyone is definitely angry, but unclear as to who is the angriest. Also, not sure who the....poet (for want of a better word) is addressing. I thought it was an audience of like minds but, towards the end, the person being addressed seems to get angry...at the poet. Can't say I blame them.

Well I have no issue with a non-binary Joan of Arc play which is a, may I remind you, work of fiction loosely based on a medieval saint. Historically we know nothing about Joan’s inner identity and life other than she had hallucinations of the religious variety.

Playwrights constantly embellish with fiction historical figures and depart from history and often make shit up. Shakespeare certainly did with his 18 plays featuring real historical people…mostly men….

Joan has been portrayed in numerous other works of fiction as a great feminist warrior maiden masterminding battles and leading armies to victory….all artistic licence really. Not a jot of it is true.

Nonbinary, warrior feminist, doesn’t matter it’s all speculation and wishful thinking really.

@Passmethewhat it wasn't one of his standalone works was it though.

That poem is truly dreadful.

On the grounds of that alone the Globe shouldn't have been tweeting it.

As a pp said it really is Adrian Mole quality.

😁😂😀

I think it's great...Maybe they can make Rosa Parks a white man next

Go on, sir .... convince us.

If the shoe fits......

Yeah, I agree in principle, Katy, but a few previous posters seem to think they can say this shit and NOT out themselves as egregious misogynists. Give that it's very early in the morning UK time, let's let them explain themselves. "Be kind", y'know?

Not even sure the Vogons would want their name to that drivel.
Excellent HH ref, you definitely know where your towel is.

Poem aside - wtf do they think they are doing transing historical figures!

Notice how they never trans any male historical figures? Louis 14 wore pink, makeup heels and had long hair but I don’t see anyone saying he was really a woman….. And I’m loving the fact @Discovereads thinks Joan of Arc wasn’t real.

I was astounded by that bowl cut still being in fashion, 20 years after I first saw it on a tiresome social justice warrior at my university LGB society

Dear god that poem

If you could explain it otherwise that would be great, but a label such as gender non conforming over such things does nothing but enforce gender stereotypes no?

like why can’t someone be out with the societal ‘norm’ and remain as it is, which would be a true FU to societal standards and norms.

Hi Honeylover, I’m an older woman and must admit that I haven’t informed myself about a lot of the gender identity stuff. But I’m perplexed by your opinion that if you are a woman but not adhering to feminine steroptypes, you are called ‘nonbinary’. I thought that ‘non-binary’ was something you get to call yourself or not, depending on how you feel yourself to be.

Unless you're dead already and a historical figure like, say, Joan of Arc, and someone else comes along a few hundred years later and makes a play about you.

I think ‘gender nonconforming’ can at least imply that someone rejects gender as a concept. Saying that women like Joan are nonbinary reinforces all the tired old misogynist stereotypes, though.

So so true. Anyone who is undecided really needs to think about why that is.
Also has anyone actually managed to watch through just the tweeted bit of the "I,Joan" play? ( It's at the top of The_Globe twitter feed - I assume it's from that play, surely there isn't something worse).
If so you are made of stronger stuff than I. Watching some poor woman running around in an awful outfit showing her breast binder talking about how trans people are divine was not something I ever want to do again.

"Double double toil and trouble" is a memorable jingle - how many people know that first line? It's meant to be drivel of a sort, in the play.

Witches weren't supposed to have access to art / truth - they were deceivers who were themselves deceived (by the devil). They weren't supposed to be dignified figures.

And there was some anxiety around performing witchcraft or magic on stage - that came up especially with Faust. As it stands, that's a grotesque chant (witches weren't wise), not designed to terrify. Shakespeare knew what he was doing.

No comparison even without that context with the atrocious composition posted yesterday!

Exactly. Trans rights are not womens rights. They are and should be separate. If someone wants to call me a TERF for thinking that, I'll wear that badge with pride 😉

Oh and that poem is shit

Dire “Poem”
More like the scrawlings of a self -obsessed teenager, rather than something to be shown to a paying audience .

@Passmethewhat please could you explain why stating a fact is a slur?
Surely you are not defending the TRAs who post death and rape threats to terfs

Of course Shakespeare wasn't always nice, or unprejudiced - nor his characters. But he also wasn't narrow minded. His characters were human and his villains were nuanced. Each side engages some sympathy. The poetry is obviously a million miles from Shakespeare here, but so is the ethos.

That poem is painfully cringe.

How embarrassing for the Globe.

See also: Sussex Police.

Quite a few organisations need to learn that social media is an important part of PR, and shouldn't just be left to kids straight out of uni.