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Why can't we chastise other people's children anymore?

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Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 20:53

Was a softplay today with DS3 (10). We've not been in forever, but he randomly asked to go, so we headed there. It's huge with lots of things for older DC (up to age 12).

He was very happily running up this space mountain (soft material with the odd grabber at the top to help you get to the top, you then go into a dark slide). Sometimes kids made it up, sometimes they slipped/ rolled down, it's part of the fun. He'd been up and down half a dozen times, loving it. The next minute he's being kicked at by an older girl (she looked much older but must have been a tall 12) in the FACE so that he can't reach the top (she is at the top, sitting in the area before you slide). I call up for DS to come down, but he holds on and reaches the top. I can see some chat going on (it's quite high), next thing a younger boy grabs his face, shoves him towards the slide and punches his back to push him down. DS comes off the slide crying. He rarely cries.

DS tells me that he told the older girl she shouldn't have kicked his face, it wasn't allowed. He then told her they weren't allowed to just sit there and stop.others from getting up. The younger boy was her friend and decided DS couldn't tell them what to do and he would get DS out of the way!

I was not amused. They both stated at the top as they could see me waiting to speak to them. I alerted a passing member of staff, who then requested they come down. When she spoke to the older girl she denied everything (of course). I moved over to say ' I saw you, you're not being truthful. You can't kick people. We need to speak to an adult about this". She objected loudly.

At this point 2 other mothers stepped in, one said to the girl 'Don't let her speak to you like that. Go and see your parent. She doesn't have the right to speak to you as you're a child". The other added that it was 'Her word against yours '. I'm the adult, I saw it! I told her this and she added 'You should have been supervising'. I added that I was, that's how I'd seen every minute of
it. Her friend added that if I had spoken directly to her children she'd be livid.

The staff member had found the mum and beckoned me over. The girl continued to lie and it went nowhere- the mum preferring ti believe her. The mum of the younger boy also believing her son he'd done nothing, despite me seeing it all with my own eyes. Her advice was that DS has no right to 'police' her child's behaviour and shouldn't tell others the rules. DS in not NT and is very keen on following rules. It's not unreasonable I don't think for him to say that others shouldn't hit him/ be where they shouldn't.

The member of staff merely said staff don't supervise, it's up to parents. I asked if people are ever asked to leave due to violence and was told 'Parents decide what action to take'.

We left soon after. At £12 I was really cheesed off.

WIBU to directly speak to the child?

OP posts:
CandyLeBonBon · 25/09/2022 22:00

You were there supervising a 10 year old's interaction with a 12 y/o girl and witnessed all this first hand?

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:00

Zuyi · 25/09/2022 21:24

It's okay too speak to a child in a calm way, and just make a comment. Or talk to the staff and get them down. But it sounds like more than that, a big drama, and to me that's not okay at all. I'm surprised the OP has support on this.

It was in no way a big drama, I was calm throughout, stating that I'd seen it all. I just did not like the child lying, so spoke to the mother eventually. But if I had made it a big drama I think I'd have been justified seeing that he was kicked in the face twice, had his face grabbed and punched in the back.

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Zuyi · 25/09/2022 22:03

FirstFallopians · 25/09/2022 21:48

I’m not usually one for OTT punishments, but I’d say deliberately kicking a younger child in the head, at height, is just cause for feeling slightly embarrassed.

The child in question could have easily avoided this by, you know, not kicking another child in the head.

She kicked AT him. She didn't actually kick him. She was sitting at the top waving her feet as he climbed up.

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:04

Fairislefandango · 25/09/2022 21:32

Well... you can (and did) chastise other people's children. You can't demand that they accept your judgement though.

Very true.

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ImAvingOops · 25/09/2022 22:04

I've told kids off in soft play for being little shits to my kids.
And then I've found their parents and had another go! I fucking hate soft play - so many lazy arse parents who cba to watch their feral kids!
Tbh you did well not to kick the 12 year old in the face!

12 year olds shouldn't be at soft play imo. At least not on the same play equipment as little kids.

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:06

Doona · 25/09/2022 21:32

No, it's reasonable. You can remind children of the rules, sure. But a whole scene, shouting at a child? Completely unacceptable, bullying behaviour. That's why two random mothers intervened.

Sorry, where did you get shouting and bullying behaviour from? It was not that at all. I spoke up calmly that I'd seen her and she wasn't being truthful, so we'd need to speak to an adult. Stop making it up . You weren't there.

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AnotherAnxiousMess · 25/09/2022 22:09

Yeah I would have reacted the same way and I have done in the past. If the kids parents were watching and supervising their kids like they were supposed to do, then they would have seen what had happened and you wouldn't have to tell them off for them. Also good for your child to see that he can trust you to deal with situations like that!

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:11

Zuyi · 25/09/2022 21:39

She picked her up on it, spoke to the staff, the staff called the children down, spoke to them. That's enough, but the OP was still going, humiliating the child loudly. Her mother wasn't there. It's not okay at all to do that.

Again, Where's the loudly coming from? This didn't happen. Have you read what happened to my child?

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Zuyi · 25/09/2022 22:13

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:11

Again, Where's the loudly coming from? This didn't happen. Have you read what happened to my child?

How did two random mothers overhear, and why did they step in of you were calm and quiet?

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:15

Zuyi · 25/09/2022 22:03

She kicked AT him. She didn't actually kick him. She was sitting at the top waving her feet as he climbed up.

WTF? Sorry, are YOU the other parent? We're you there?! The girl kicked my son in the face twice to prevent him getting up. I presume she wanted only her friends in the small area they were climbing to, bit she DID kick him in the face. I saw it . What are some MNers like?!

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Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:18

CandyLeBonBon · 25/09/2022 22:00

You were there supervising a 10 year old's interaction with a 12 y/o girl and witnessed all this first hand?

Yes. I was sitting at a table beside the space mountain. My DS has autism and, although his disability is hidden, you wouldn't know, socially he's a lot younger, so I like to be nearby. Why? That a crime? We're usually on bikes- think I'll stick to that.

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VeronicaFranklin · 25/09/2022 22:18

If you saw my child kicking your child in the head, I'd be happy for you to tell them off. That's the problem nowadays, no one is allowed to say or do anything when they see something wrong.

In this scenario no one is asking why those children think that behaviour is okay, why their mum is so quick to defend them.

Poor teachers is all I can say, we're a nation raising kids to understand that it's okay to behave however you want - if someone catches you, you won't be disciplined as you can simply deny it!

Does the soft play have cctv? I'd be demanding the parent of said children is shown it!

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:20

Zuyi · 25/09/2022 22:13

How did two random mothers overhear, and why did they step in of you were calm and quiet?

Why are you looking for issues? The other mothers were of younger children who were at the table right beside where the staff member was talking to the girl and me.

Thanks to all others for the support.
I didn't think I WBU but needed ti check. Only 2 posters have said i shouldn't have spoken to a child, sp I think that's a fair majority think IANBU. I should have activated voting- I forgot.

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Rupertgrintismyguiltypleasure · 25/09/2022 22:21

Nothing worse than a parent who constantly thinks the sun shines out of thier kids arse. They are setting them up to be little shits who think they can get away with everything.
you know what happened and so long as you’ve not taught your kids to lie there’s not much else you can do. In most places you’ll get parents that have absolutely no idea what thier kids are up to so just believe the child. Had it when DS was little.

RootinandTootin · 25/09/2022 22:22

nah this was fair. Softplay is full of these kids and parents who think they’re little angels. You did well not to kick the mum in the face

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:24

VeronicaFranklin · 25/09/2022 22:18

If you saw my child kicking your child in the head, I'd be happy for you to tell them off. That's the problem nowadays, no one is allowed to say or do anything when they see something wrong.

In this scenario no one is asking why those children think that behaviour is okay, why their mum is so quick to defend them.

Poor teachers is all I can say, we're a nation raising kids to understand that it's okay to behave however you want - if someone catches you, you won't be disciplined as you can simply deny it!

Does the soft play have cctv? I'd be demanding the parent of said children is shown it!

Thank you. I do feel similarly. It was as if my speaking to a 12 year old was totally unacceptable. Her younger brother was interrupting as the girl denied it all to her mother, saying 'You need to socially distance. You're not allowed to speak to my sister'. I walked away as I was getting nowhere. We stayed 5 minutes to finish food and left.

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CandyLeBonBon · 25/09/2022 22:25

Do you know if the 12 y/o girl also struggled with autism @Puffalicious? 12 is pretty old for these places generally.

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:26

RootinandTootin · 25/09/2022 22:22

nah this was fair. Softplay is full of these kids and parents who think they’re little angels. You did well not to kick the mum in the face

🤣🤣🤣 I actually felt like kicking the 12 year old in the face, see how she likes it, but I'm far too composed and don't make a habit of kicking children.

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StarDolphins · 25/09/2022 22:26

If a child booted my child I would 100% tell them off. Likewise, if my child booted someone, they’d get told off. I wouldn’t care if the parent was fuming.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 25/09/2022 22:26

MarinoRoyale · 25/09/2022 21:04

You should have asked the member of staff to find the parent before telling off the child, it’s totally unacceptable for two adults to chastise a child when the child doesn’t know them, that could be so intimidating and I’d be furious if it happened to my child.

Naughty aggressive children should face consequences for their actions. If their own parents fail to supervise them, they can expect other adults to step in.

Zuyi · 25/09/2022 22:27

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:20

Why are you looking for issues? The other mothers were of younger children who were at the table right beside where the staff member was talking to the girl and me.

Thanks to all others for the support.
I didn't think I WBU but needed ti check. Only 2 posters have said i shouldn't have spoken to a child, sp I think that's a fair majority think IANBU. I should have activated voting- I forgot.

You did activate voting!

Well, you were there and I wasn't.

Once, when my son was six, he was behaving badly and a woman came over, slapped him across the head and screamed at him. He burst into tears and didn't want to go out and play at that park again for months. So, that wasn't you, puffalicious, but that's what I think I'm reacting to! Just letting the kids know how to behave is fine, but there are some crazy people and it's not okay for them to just go nuts on kids.

PersonaNonGarter · 25/09/2022 22:27

No OP, sorry, the other parents stepped in because they thought you were unreasonable which means that you must have been making quite a fuss.

I think the ‘it takes a village’ thing is bollocks. Most of the other parents I knew and liked could not have raised my DC as well as I did, not could I or should I try to raise or discipline theirs.

Deadringer · 25/09/2022 22:29

You were perfectly reasonable op. If people won't supervise their children and ensure they behave they will have to accept that sometimes other people will do it for them.

Puffalicious · 25/09/2022 22:29

CandyLeBonBon · 25/09/2022 22:25

Do you know if the 12 y/o girl also struggled with autism @Puffalicious? 12 is pretty old for these places generally.

No idea. I'm sure her mother may have said in way of explanation. I didn't mention my son's as it had no relevance, he didn't do anything wrong.

12 is quite old, but it does say maximum age 12 and there were lots of kids in the 10-12 age bracket (they have trampolines, a huge slide only for 8+ and a football pitch).

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Banana2079 · 25/09/2022 22:30

You are within your rights to say what you want to whom ever you want
There is no law saying you can’t talk to someone else’s child / basically teenager in this case the way you did

sorry an older boy pushed my dd aggressively in soft play . I climbed right up there and told him off. I’m not about to roam about the arena looking for his parents
some kids behave as if they are dragged up and if any decide to bully my child they’ll have to deal with me also and I wouldn’t hesitate to use force ( in defence only )if a child was actively trying to hurt my child
you were well restrained if a 12 yo kicked my child in the face all hell would have broke loose and I wouldn’t restrain myself

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