To think this is why spaces should be kept single sex?

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This poor girl.

I've got three DDs I can't imagine how I'd be if this had happened to one of them.

Primark staff were helpful but say it's happened previously.

No shit, predators are of course going to prey on easy access semi clothed women.

We need to rise and revolt.

People who react by talking about how vulnerable trans women are, or who say voyeurism is a crime are missing the point.

Nothing happened to a trans women. This happened to a young women trying to buy some clothes. Stop talking over women when we try to talk about harmful things that are done to us.

The point of safeguarding is not to have things like this happen to women in the first place, by having services like changing rooms single sex.

Saville has nothing to be with teamgenderism

Exactly, so why is he relevant here?

What do you think would have happened if he'd also had unfettered and unsupervised access to little girls' changing rooms?

We can't protect against every instance of sexual abuse so we should do away with the safeguards we do have? Do you hear yourself?

but men are doing it to other men in these spaces have have too but decades.

So we should allow these predatory men into women's spaces too?

What are you smoking? And why aren't you sharing?

Transwomen are men, 'genuine' or not they can stay with the men. They grew up as men with male entitlement and male attitudes which does not disappear with a frock and a wig.

No because what would stop a man simply dressing up as a women to enter a single sex changing room. Some can be so believable that you wouldn’t even notice. There has been occasions were this has happened. Obviously due to the changes trying to make them more inclusive, people don’t have to do that. They may enter the changing room that they identify as.

the problem with single sex is it then starts to becomes about appearance which is also not safe. What I’m trying to explain is for me personally I don’t feel 100% safe in any sort of changing room. Men will find a way.

for example there was an occasion when I was on holiday. While out clubbing I was in a women’s only toilet. I noticed a very beautiful tall women. while washing my hands I noticed how huge and muscular her hands were. I kept looking even more closely and it became clear to me that they might have not actually been a biological woman. The problem is how am I meant to know?

No because what would stop a man simply dressing up as a women to enter a single sex changing room

This almost never happened before it became acceptable for men to do it and women became vilified for not accepting it. Societal expectation matters. If a man entered a female space before, the women had the weight of society behind them. Now it's behind him.

And he doesn't even have to dress up! He just turns up with a beard and a bass voice and he can be a woman because he feels like one!

I noticed a very beautiful tall women. while washing my hands I noticed how huge and muscular her hands were. I kept looking even more closely and it became clear to me that they might have not actually been a biological woman. The problem is how am I meant to know?

In that case, because of the hands. You've literally just described how easily you spotted a male person and in the next breath declare that you couldn't tell.

You're not serious. Nobody is this deluded.

Think this is why it sits badly for me too. It’s like a frog in the pot of water saying how the warmer water feels.

I think this poor woman’s aha moment has yet to hit home.

how dare primary put women in this situation, all the walking you to your car would have never been necessary if common sense was applied in the first place or even - or even - just a thought - WHEN THIS HAPPENED THE FIRST TIME

enough of this.

She’s too terrified of being accused of transphobia and being cancelled to call this assault out for what it is.

@LetMeSpeak you said "Im sick of trans people having to suffer because of something this is clearly a male problem."

Why aren't you sick of women and girls having to suffer because of something that is clearly a male problem"?

Solution: keep men out of women and girls' single sex spaces.

I find myself reaching once again for the words of the late great Magdalen Berns...

So, predators going to do what they do, so lets just chuck safeguarding in the bin. Others have pointed out how facile this argument is so i wont bother.

And, noone notices a man in a dress, because putting on a frock is such an incredible cloak of womanliness we would never see the wolf in sheeps clothing?

I can spot a bloke in a frock from 50 paces. So can my 4 year old (real world data).
What previously stopped men from sticking on a dress to enter female spaces was the social contract that said women could point at the wolf in their midst and have him ejected.

Now we cant do that because we must be kind and not point or shout at the man in a dress. So, in come the men and the transwomen and the wolves. And as the original videos shows, out go the women.

We said this would happen. The video shows this is happening. I say we go back to single sex changing rooms. Anyone uncomfortable with that, shop on line.

Whats your suggestion. We just suck it up?

“What do you think would have happened if he'd also had unfettered and unsupervised access to little girls' changing rooms?”

Saville don’t enter the little girls changing rooms because he simply didn’t have to. He got access into their rooms instead with no supervision where most of his crimes took place.

You have to realise that for a lot of these men it’s what stimulates them the most isn’t actually the assault itself but the means that are done to do so. If someone get gratification from videoing people in placing like the toilets and changing rooms they will find a way to do it. Just a simple search on porn website shows how wide spread this is.

I don’t see it as being different tbh. You can internally feel how you want, doesn’t make it true. I don’t feel safer with males who feel like women than any other male.

Not so long ago, any man dressed up as woman would have been spotted and called out, now people are too scared to say anything.

He couldn't enter them! What do you think would have happened if he could? He'd have given up the opportunity?

How many little girls who weren't assaulted by Savile would you risk on your theory that safeguards don't reduce attacks? The same number of women you're happy to risk now?

Why is a male person's wish to be externally validated by everyone else, no matter what they actually believe, more important than reducing the risk of attacks on women?

You're just one of the "women get attacked anyway so it doesn't matter if they get attacked more" people. Why should we listen to anything you say?

So, Let Me Speak, why bother locking your door at night since a determined burglar could still get in? And anyway, why do we bother with locks when the problem is that some people are burglars?

Collar and Cuffs?

Not so long ago, any man dressed up as woman would have been spotted and called out, now people are too scared to say anything.

No need for them to make any effort at all now. Transwomen don't owe anyone feminity, it's transphobic to suggest they do, so now it's impossible to distinguish between Steve and Stephanie without being branded a bigot.

That'll sort it. A sign and a rule. 😂

Agree, males who transition are just as likely to commit sexual assault/violence/crimes etc as any other man, their propensity does not decease due to the way they identify.

Additionally, males who have transitioned within the prison population are more likely to be in due to sexual offenses than other males - 20% of male prisoners have committed sex offenses compared to 40% trans identified men.

It's disgusting. Poor love. Anyone saying it isn't abhorrent is also utterly disgusting.

And lockable cubicles mean the woman has a greater chance of being trapped in the cubicle with her attacker.

it’s like those mixed sex public loos, which are cubicles accessed from a central corridor. I would never feel safe using them, because it would be so easy for an attacker to follow a woman, push her into a cubicle and lock the door, all out of sight of passers by.

Exactly! We never had any issue with those!!! They are good people and respectful

THIS is insane. We can't have private spaces being mixed!!!

👎 to Primark

im confused how to how my opinion is against safeguarding of women. what I am saying is that simply having a same sex changing room isn’t enough if your aim to safe guard women. Will it make some of us feel safer? Sure. But it isn’t is it.

I agree with what someone said previously transgenderism has unfortunately opened the door for men to take advantage and use it as a way to assault women. The reason I said it isn’t a transgender issue however is because men have and will always taken advantage of things that make it easier for them to commit crimes this is unfortunately something added to a long list of those things

what I am trying to explain is that even with the same sex spaces we are no longer safe. A mape can just simply dress up as a female to enter what is meant to be a female safe space.

There was a video on YouTube of a transwoman entering a male toilet and a female toilet. The female toilet didn’t notice anything and the male toilet felt uncomfortable and asked why they were in the male toilet. At the end of the video the transwoman said that trans people should just enter the toilet they physically mostly align to. The problem was that transwoman hasn’t had the sexual reassignment surgery. They have a penis.

So all it takes is for a male to simply look like female and they get free access to women in what is meant to be a safe space?!

Toilets must be unisex - there are no two ways about it

why must they?

Christ I’m never letting my kids shop without me. Shopping used to be a joyful experience. I spent so many happy Saturday afternoons trying on clothes with friends all over town as a teenager. My god what activity is actually safe for our kids these days?????

I’ve had one or two people gatecrash my cubicle in the distant past but this universal changing rooms is on another level…

Never did love Primark anyway - but this is a great reason to completely swerve.

When will these shops see sense ffs?

After this I’m also going to make sure my DH isn’t hovering too close with other sizes etc as I hadn’t really considered that even my nice bloke could be threatening to other women. No doubt he will be gutted not to have to trail around the shops, ha!

There was a video on YouTube of a transwoman entering a male toilet and a female toilet. The female toilet didn’t notice anything and the male toilet felt uncomfortable and asked why they were in the male toilet

I bet the women did notice but due to socialisation or fear of a male in a private space, they didn't call it out.

what I am saying is that simply having a same sex changing room isn’t enough if your aim to safe guard women.

I agree, but single sex spaces is a start isn't it. Otherwise why bother with any safeguarding?