To think this is why spaces should be kept single sex?

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This poor girl.

I've got three DDs I can't imagine how I'd be if this had happened to one of them.

Primark staff were helpful but say it's happened previously.

No shit, predators are of course going to prey on easy access semi clothed women.

We need to rise and revolt.

I’m a woman and I also like single sex spaces.

I'm quoting myself again coz it amuses me in a thoroughly unamusing situation

Nope, just the blind reiteration of a belief, some circular and non logical arguments and deflections, right?

Please continue to shine more light down, you're doing people a favour here but not the one you think you are.

How often do we hear of women demanding to use make spaces, including female to male. It’s always those who own a dick demanding to shove it where they want

Because you felt the need to say "trans people had nothing to do with what happened to that woman". If you thought I needed to be told that, you thought I was indeed blaming them, and was therefore transphobic.

You also accused me of thinking you were a TRA because I noted how much you were trying to undermine single sex spaces.

Honestly, Pumper, who do you think you're fooling? That's an honest question. You think we can't understand context and implication? You think we don't see right through this lame obfuscation?

Exactly. Men have always taken advantage of these type of things. Which is why so many of us don’t feel safe dealing with them in all forms.

This is all in your head though. I never mentioned transphobia. You had this agenda from the beginning when you accused me of being a rape apologist. It’s why you can’t have a conversation, because you’re so determined to see something that isn’t there.

I do not think male bodied people should be in female spaces.

I also find it really telling when the only posts on a thread full of GC people the only posts to get removed are from GC women who apparently "stepped over the line", GC people as a whole like to leave the other arguments to stand so people can see for themselves how transparent they are.

Women mind your tone now, tsk tsk!

Right but it has stopped things that we KNOW have happened like

Katy Dalotwski
The WiSpa incident.
Karen White
Women being raped by penises in prison in Indiana
Any woman who has been upskirted or violated as a result of the increasing number of males in women's spaces in the name of self ID.
The videos of males who identify as trans masturbating in women's changing rooms.

You can't say that these incidents don't happen. You can say that the victims don't matter, they are collateral damage. But I prefer to put women first. My question to you is why don't you?

I prefer that women have the simple safeguarding that comes with single sex spaces, I prefer that

I also prefer single sex spaces.

But I think we can do better. That’s my whole point.

I've been paying very close attention and I'd like to see the quote for where you were called a rape apologist please?

You keep saying that you support single sex spaces or words to that effect, but your words also said that you are advocating for unisex spaces.

You have stated an "assumption" (and yes it is a quote), that unisex spaces with locks and security "patrols" would be safer than single sex spaces, even when pointed at evidence that shows this to be factually incorrect.

You ignore things you don't want to address and you have directly contradicted yourself, brought up things that are loaded questions or leading in a tangent. Your arguments are circular and have no logic.

It' seems to me that you are trying to muddy the waters and have an agenda too.

sorry posted too soon,

I prefer that women have dignity to go out without having to share safe spaces with any male. This is especially important for vulnerable women and for women of certain religious beliefs.

You can say that these things will happen anyway. And yes, sexual predators will not necessarily be put off by a space being single sex but what you are asking for is the lowering of boundaries.

No Thank You.

Do better than what?

And to the advantage of whom?

I’m sure you can go back and check. It’s where you accused me of saying women will be raped anyway so why bother. It might have been deleted though, what with it being offensive and uncalled for.

Do better than single sex spaces, with no staff and curtains for privacy.

To the advantage of women.

Where did I call you a rape apologist? I simply asked if your insistence on undermining single sex spaces because they don't stop every single sex predator was part of the common "women get raped anyway so it doesn't matter if they get raped more" line of argument. Because that's essentially how it goes and if that makes you uncomfortable, good.

Or do you suddenly understand the concept of implication when it's targeted at you?

You say you don't agree with males in female spaces, but you've spent all evening undermining them, with various levels of obtuseness, and my God you are obsessed. Since you apparently can understand implication sometimes, what do you think is the implication of that?

What is better than single sex spaces which is what most women want for their dignity and safety?

That’s exactly it. It’s ridiculous, offensive, not true and uncalled for.

Spaces (any spaces) with lockable doors and staff on patrol.

Um no... you have stated you were called a rape apologist, at no point were those words typed.

I remember those posts but cba to go back and re-read, if you'd like to quote the relevant please feel free though.

To be honest though when someone says they don't understand the concept of reducing the likely hood of something happening and says that assaults etc will happen no matter what and someone says that is just bloody daft... well they aren't wrong, but they haven't called you a rape apologist.

Did I say assaults will happen no matter what? Can you quote that? At no point were those words typed.

It's exactly the justification used by many people who, like you, want to undermine single sex spaces even though they clearly protect women.

And don't suggest people on here haven't explained extensively why they do unless you want to look really stupid.

And you've repeated that a few times but have yet to explain why your "assumption" that this is safer than single sex spaces is more true than factual evidence showing that in reality that exact thing is not true.

The evidence shows that single sex spaces are safer. No matter what you believe, that belief that you still can't give a reason why you believe it.

This is the quote. Not offensive at all IMO (and it hasn't been deleted, so MN didn't think so either, if it was reported):

Pumperthepumper · Today 18:27
No, I don’t do any of those things. But I don’t agree that single sex spaces stop every single sexual predator, because they don’t.

ReneBumsWombats · Today 18:38
Nothing stops every single sexual predator, don't be ridiculous. But there are safeguards that will dramatically reduce the number.
Is this the "women get raped anyway so who cares if they get raped more" thing?

Did I call you a "rape apologist"? Can you quote that? At no point (except in response, after you) were those words typed.

How is a lockable door keeping a woman safe? There are circumstances in which a woman is more at risk behind a locked door especially if the predator is in control! Have you ever been raped?

Why do you think it is better, fundamentally, to change what has worked extremely well and what women are happy with to appease males? And please don't try to undermine my intelligence by suggesting that what you are doing here is not trying to accommodate males in female spaces and lower boundaries?

Women have told you upthread why we think that locked cubicles are not the answer. Why do you dismiss the voices of women in an attempt to accommodate males with special genders?