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To think this is why spaces should be kept single sex?

346 replies

Bluntfuckit · 25/09/2022 12:05

twitter.com/mummabeeblu/status/1573690566889570307

This poor girl.

I've got three DDs I can't imagine how I'd be if this had happened to one of them.

Primark staff were helpful but say it's happened previously.

No shit, predators are of course going to prey on easy access semi clothed women.

We need to rise and revolt.

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AchatAVendre · 25/09/2022 13:07

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/09/2022 12:29

Omg seriously?

You can get tiny cameras cheap off amazon that link to your phone.

At a swimming pool in my local area a few years ago, a man (or possibly two) had drilled holes in the changing cubicles and was caught filming through them. Its unclear how often he had done this. He ran out when confronted by a child's parent, past reception which had a huge glass front and drove off in his car. Remarkably, the cctv was found not to be working that day and no-one managed to get his registration number.

Giggorata · 25/09/2022 13:09

lifeturnsonadime · 25/09/2022 13:02

I’m all for inclusion and genuine trans people using the changing room they feel appropriate to them.

In order for a man to be a genuine trans woman all he has to do is declare that his gender is female. Once this declaration is made he is a woman. There is no need to make any change to physical appearance and it's transphobic for you to suggest otherwise.

Are you serious?
Have you actually read this thread, not to mention all of the recorded incidents after incidents?
Do you genuinely believe that these men are women?

Good grief.

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/09/2022 13:10

That's awfully convenient isn't it...

There are cameras that look like coat hooks too

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/coat-hook-spy-camera-warning-1247969.amp

lifeturnsonadime · 25/09/2022 13:11

Giggorata · 25/09/2022 13:09

Are you serious?
Have you actually read this thread, not to mention all of the recorded incidents after incidents?
Do you genuinely believe that these men are women?

Good grief.

i didn't say that I agree with it for goodness sake!

It's just a response to the people who think that steps have to actually be taken for a person to be a genuine trans woman.

The fact is that under self ID anyone who declares a gender identity must be believed no matter their presentation.

Those advocating for allowing transwomen to use the facilities of their chosen gender are advocating for mixed sex spaces. That's my point.

Giggorata · 25/09/2022 13:14

Understood, sorry.
I think my stress bucket is already near full on this matter and so go into automatic rebuttal mode to perceived handmaidens.

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/09/2022 13:14

The fact is that under self ID anyone who declares a gender identity must be believed no matter their presentation

Then of course we have those who are only a woman a few days a week. Akd a man the rest. Should they be allowed access on woman days? What makes woman days different besides a dress from the man days?

Amd non binary makes also require use of the female changing rooms too apparently🙄

lifeturnsonadime · 25/09/2022 13:15

Giggorata · 25/09/2022 13:14

Understood, sorry.
I think my stress bucket is already near full on this matter and so go into automatic rebuttal mode to perceived handmaidens.

No problem, reading back I can see it really wasn't clear!

WaveyHair · 25/09/2022 13:17

I go to a well known clothes store which has one set of changing rooms. Space is limited to I understand why they are just changing rooms. But there are solid wooden doors so you can lock them & mirrors so you can do everything you need to in the room.

Unisex changing rooms need different design(s) to allow for safeguarding. Curtains are not secure.

Toilets must be unisex - there are no two ways about it.

LetMeSpeak · 25/09/2022 13:17

I’m pesrsonally for unisex changing rooms and I’m most likely around the same age as her. We had unisex changing rooms where I used to work and there was no problem like this as you would have staff assist the customers into the room. You wouldn’t allow others to just wonder around in the changing room area there was seating outside of it.

Im sick of trans people having to suffer because of something this is clearly a male problem. It was 2 men that took it upon themselves to just walk in without any care while this girl was changing. When are they going to take some responsibility. All these complaints about unisex toilets/changing rooms whatever, are 90% just men taking advantage.

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 25/09/2022 13:18

WaveyHair · 25/09/2022 13:17

I go to a well known clothes store which has one set of changing rooms. Space is limited to I understand why they are just changing rooms. But there are solid wooden doors so you can lock them & mirrors so you can do everything you need to in the room.

Unisex changing rooms need different design(s) to allow for safeguarding. Curtains are not secure.

Toilets must be unisex - there are no two ways about it.

Lockable cubicles don’t prevent someone installing a camera.

Giggorata · 25/09/2022 13:18

Why must they?

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 25/09/2022 13:18

Why must toilets be unisex? Where are orthodox Jewish and Muslim women meant to pee if they are?!

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/09/2022 13:19

Im sick of trans people having to suffer because of something this is clearly a male problem

What's the difference besides unverifiable self declaration and a dress?

lifeturnsonadime · 25/09/2022 13:19

100 % of transwomen are male.

Of course it is a male problem.

WaveyHair · 25/09/2022 13:20

*not unisex - autocorrect gone mad on me. Sorry 🙏Single sexed is what I meant

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 25/09/2022 13:20

LetMeSpeak · 25/09/2022 13:17

I’m pesrsonally for unisex changing rooms and I’m most likely around the same age as her. We had unisex changing rooms where I used to work and there was no problem like this as you would have staff assist the customers into the room. You wouldn’t allow others to just wonder around in the changing room area there was seating outside of it.

Im sick of trans people having to suffer because of something this is clearly a male problem. It was 2 men that took it upon themselves to just walk in without any care while this girl was changing. When are they going to take some responsibility. All these complaints about unisex toilets/changing rooms whatever, are 90% just men taking advantage.

So how do you prevent that small proportion of men (who we can’t spot on appearance alone) from taking advantage? You keep them all out. It’s really not rocket science.

LetMeSpeak · 25/09/2022 13:21

There needs to be a rule and also a sign saying if anyone walks in on someone else in the changing room you permanently get kicked out of the store. People would have more care in what they are doing.

SwanRot · 25/09/2022 13:23

It doesn't matter if a man 'identifies' as male or female.

It's the fucking fact that something which was once single-sex (female) is now multi-sex (male and female) to keep the trans activists happy, thus allowing every man access - whatever his 'identity' bollocks and whatever his intention.

Christ, it's not difficult, is it? Men feeling that they can enter women's spaces with impunity is a direct result of firms and companies all wanting to 'be kind' to transvestites and transexuals.

SwanRot · 25/09/2022 13:23

You solve the problem really simply - single-sex changing rooms.

Stopsnowing · 25/09/2022 13:25

Maybe the tiny number if trans could just shop online as it has been suggested women do?

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 25/09/2022 13:26

SwanRot · 25/09/2022 13:23

It doesn't matter if a man 'identifies' as male or female.

It's the fucking fact that something which was once single-sex (female) is now multi-sex (male and female) to keep the trans activists happy, thus allowing every man access - whatever his 'identity' bollocks and whatever his intention.

Christ, it's not difficult, is it? Men feeling that they can enter women's spaces with impunity is a direct result of firms and companies all wanting to 'be kind' to transvestites and transexuals.

Identity bollocks could be the ultimate gift for women this Xmas - ruin those fucker’s cheap
thills by wearing a massive fake pair when using changing rooms in stalls.

Goingforarun · 25/09/2022 13:26

if it’s a unisex changing room how could you be suprised by whoever came in.

Stopsnowing · 25/09/2022 13:28

The point about enforcing single sex spaces is it allows everyone to spot and challenge would be intruders.