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To think this is why spaces should be kept single sex?

346 replies

Bluntfuckit · 25/09/2022 12:05

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This poor girl.

I've got three DDs I can't imagine how I'd be if this had happened to one of them.

Primark staff were helpful but say it's happened previously.

No shit, predators are of course going to prey on easy access semi clothed women.

We need to rise and revolt.

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CatsandFish · 25/09/2022 16:37

LetMeSpeak · 25/09/2022 13:48

@GrabbyGabby but men are doing it to other men in these spaces have have too but decades. What I am saying is if one of these creeps wants to find a way to sexually assault people they will do it.

men have been doing it without these unisex changing rooms. Even if we do go back to single sex rooms a man can simply dress up as women (and no one will even notice). They may not even identify as one. They just walk into a place where women are meant to feel safer and just commit the same type of crimes and maybe even worse.

So your answer is, 'they'll do it anyway'? That is a weak copout and means women suffer.

You DON'T make it easier for predators. You make it harder.

SomeSquirrelsAreBlack · 25/09/2022 16:37

Fetishists shop in leather and rubber ware and pvc shops not PRIMARK

CatsandFish · 25/09/2022 16:40

LetMeSpeak · 25/09/2022 13:58

A transwoman who simply wants to be identify as a woman. Who internally have felt like they were born as. Is different to one who is dressing up as a women to enter into the female space to commit sexual assault to a women in what is meant to be a safe space. I’m intrigued to know how having women only changing room would prevent the later from happening?

I’m intrigued to know how having women only changing room would prevent the later from happening?

It has mainly worked for decades, until womens spaces were abolished. Now there has been a massive increase in assaults in womens spaces. Because, of our spaces being made mixed sex.

You know, our foresister feminists fought blood sweat and tears to get safeguarding, protections and spaces for women. Why, are you so eager to tear all their hard work down?

SomeSquirrelsAreBlack · 25/09/2022 16:41

Its a TIkTok video?

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 16:43

Surely the solution is lockable changing rooms though?

CatsandFish · 25/09/2022 16:46

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crowsfeet57 · 25/09/2022 16:51

In order for a man to be a genuine trans woman all he has to do is declare that his gender is female. Once this declaration is made he is a woman. There is no need to make any change to physical appearance and it's transphobic for you to suggest otherwise

And 10 minutes later he can be a man again! How is this reasonable?

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 25/09/2022 16:51

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 16:43

Surely the solution is lockable changing rooms though?

Again, doesn’t deal with the hidden camera issue.

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 16:55

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 25/09/2022 16:51

Again, doesn’t deal with the hidden camera issue.

No, but surely that’s a separate issue entirely. The hidden cameras also won’t be stopped by single sex spaces.

CatsandFish · 25/09/2022 16:55

LetMeSpeak · 25/09/2022 14:47

im confused how to how my opinion is against safeguarding of women. what I am saying is that simply having a same sex changing room isn’t enough if your aim to safe guard women. Will it make some of us feel safer? Sure. But it isn’t is it.

I agree with what someone said previously transgenderism has unfortunately opened the door for men to take advantage and use it as a way to assault women. The reason I said it isn’t a transgender issue however is because men have and will always taken advantage of things that make it easier for them to commit crimes this is unfortunately something added to a long list of those things

what I am trying to explain is that even with the same sex spaces we are no longer safe. A mape can just simply dress up as a female to enter what is meant to be a female safe space.

There was a video on YouTube of a transwoman entering a male toilet and a female toilet. The female toilet didn’t notice anything and the male toilet felt uncomfortable and asked why they were in the male toilet. At the end of the video the transwoman said that trans people should just enter the toilet they physically mostly align to. The problem was that transwoman hasn’t had the sexual reassignment surgery. They have a penis.

So all it takes is for a male to simply look like female and they get free access to women in what is meant to be a safe space?!

We are a lot safer in safe sex spaces than we are in unisex spaces.

Women never call men out in the toilets because women don't want to take that risk. I shouldn't have to explain to you how bigger a man is, and any woman who picks a fight with a man is brave. Women are scared and suffer in silence, and escape from the toilets as quick as they can. DON'T mistake our 'silence' as complicity or acceptance. It's about self preservation and survival.

Many men on twitter and elsewhere have said that men don't care about men in dresses entering the males. They smirk to themselves and just do what they have to do and go. I follow 4 transwomen on twitter who are GC and understand how important womens spaces are. I also follow several gay men that are GC and support us. All of them have said men don't care about transwomen going to the gents. It's not an issue.

DontTouchThat · 25/09/2022 17:05

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 16:55

No, but surely that’s a separate issue entirely. The hidden cameras also won’t be stopped by single sex spaces.

Well it will be damn well harder for them to get in there if males are excluded by default surely.

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 17:06

DontTouchThat · 25/09/2022 17:05

Well it will be damn well harder for them to get in there if males are excluded by default surely.

Why would it?

CatsandFish · 25/09/2022 17:08

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 17:06

Why would it?

Are you serious?

You really don't understand how a male not allowed to enter female spaces, with females around on the lookout, has less chance of slipping in and putting a camera in, compared to men coming and going into these stalls without a care?

AuxArmesCitoyens · 25/09/2022 17:09

Full length solid doors are dangerous if a predator gets you alone in one or you have a medical issue inside.

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 17:12

CatsandFish · 25/09/2022 17:08

Are you serious?

You really don't understand how a male not allowed to enter female spaces, with females around on the lookout, has less chance of slipping in and putting a camera in, compared to men coming and going into these stalls without a care?

Yes I’m serious - why would it? Why wouldn’t they just wait until it was quiet?

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/09/2022 17:13

CatsandFish · 25/09/2022 17:08

Are you serious?

You really don't understand how a male not allowed to enter female spaces, with females around on the lookout, has less chance of slipping in and putting a camera in, compared to men coming and going into these stalls without a care?

Your forgetting something really important. Transwomem can't use the male spaces because of the risk of sexual assault/voyeurism/violence from males but male violence/voyeurism/sexual assault is a petty, accusatory and non existent thing to happen to women.

Male violence can only be discussed in relation to it happening to transwomen. When it comes to actual women we have to pretend women are equally as dangerous

Keyansier · 25/09/2022 17:16

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 17:12

Yes I’m serious - why would it? Why wouldn’t they just wait until it was quiet?

In the same way that if you left your car door wide open, it would be more likely that a theft would occur compared to if it was locked.

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 17:17

Keyansier · 25/09/2022 17:16

In the same way that if you left your car door wide open, it would be more likely that a theft would occur compared to if it was locked.

Well no - my car is still only being robbed if a thief comes along. Me only letting women into my car doesn’t change that.

Keyansier · 25/09/2022 17:18

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 17:17

Well no - my car is still only being robbed if a thief comes along. Me only letting women into my car doesn’t change that.

If 99% of car thieves were male, then yes it would.

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 17:19

Keyansier · 25/09/2022 17:18

If 99% of car thieves were male, then yes it would.

No, it wouldn’t - I still only get robbed if a thief is around.

Keyansier · 25/09/2022 17:21

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LetMeSpeak · 25/09/2022 17:26

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 17:19

No, it wouldn’t - I still only get robbed if a thief is around.

I completely agree with you. It seems like a lot of posters don’t realise how many of these types of crimes are pre meditated.

Pumperthepumper · 25/09/2022 17:26

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montysma1 · 25/09/2022 17:29

This world. Because we dont even dare let on that we notice. We have all to pretend that we think the 6ft person with size 12feet and stubble is a woman.

Keyansier · 25/09/2022 17:30

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If there are eight million men and 25% of them are predatory, and sixteen million women and 2.5% of them are predatory, which is more likely to cause an issue, statistically?

Have no idea why my post was deleted.

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