To think this is why spaces should be kept single sex?

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This poor girl.

I've got three DDs I can't imagine how I'd be if this had happened to one of them.

Primark staff were helpful but say it's happened previously.

No shit, predators are of course going to prey on easy access semi clothed women.

We need to rise and revolt.

Really massive - like that pervert Canadian teacher's tits with the sticky-up nipples

I don't care about transwomen, I'm not for inclusion. I care about women and children, who are the most oppressed and abused in society the world over.

I will never validate males in womens' spaces however they identify as doing so has caused so much crap. Their entitlement enrages me. They can get lost.

You make these actions a crime, which they should be. Make them away that you can’t be doing things like this. Some men who are attracted to men do this as well. Men secretly videoing other men in getting changed. Even committing assault. It’s been happening for years.

This is not a women or even a genuine transwomen issue. This is a men’s issue and there are certain men taking advantage of these unisex toilets and also transgenderism to commit these disturbing actions. We need to find them an make sure the a prosecuted.

I think part of the problem is language.

Once you talk of 'transwomen', you're already suggesting that these men are just a subset of real women, so what's the harm?

Use the correct terms, however - transvestite for a man who likes wearing women's clothes and transexual for a man who has had surgery to more resemble a woman - and the material reality becomes a lot plainer: they're still men.

You make these actions a crime, which they should be

No thanks, why should women have to suffer sexual assault in what should be single sex spaces to affirm the gender feelings of certain males.

Why are the feelings of those males more important than keeping women safe in the first place?

Unisex and curtains don't belong together.

You are so nearly there @LetMeSpeak . Yes, this is an entirely male problem, that women have been expected to solve.

How about we ask the men to deal with the issues that are of their own creation. Have the men and their spaces be more accommodating of gender non conforming males and transwomen?

It is always women who have to be kind, bunch up, bend over. Men are expected to change nothing.

Great. So the male predator can barge in the cubicle and lock the door behind them. Fabulous idea.

This is not a women or even a genuine transwomen issue

You haven't answered what a genuine transwoman is and why when male.pattern offending does not change according to identity, that those males should he excluded from safguarding policies? Why are they special?

yaniv would be considered a genuine transwoman given the surgery. Would you want them in the changing room next to your teenage dd?

But why is this as tanswomen issue?

“I care about women and children, who are the most oppressed and abused in society the world over.”

Young boys are more likely to be victims or pedophilia than young girls. It been that way for decades yet hardly anyone made the changes to make it safe for young boys eg different changing rooms/toilets for young children. What needs to happen is the vile people committing these crimes need to be severely punished which rarely happens. Sentencing for many of the people who do these actions are a disgrace to put in mildily. Most cases will simply go ignored. These people will find a way through any means. Jimmy saville set up a whole charity so he could assault and rape 100s of vulnerable young girls and got away with it.

www.itv.com/news/london/2022-07-22/met-pc-who-filmed-woman-changing-and-made-indecent-images-of-child-walks-free

Anyway voyeurism is already a crime.

Just not one taken seriously .

Transwomen are male, they should simply not be in spaces reserved for women as they are not female.

What has Jimmy Saville got to do with removing single sex spaces to appease males?

@GrabbyGabby but men are doing it to other men in these spaces have have too but decades. What I am saying is if one of these creeps wants to find a way to sexually assault people they will do it.

men have been doing it without these unisex changing rooms. Even if we do go back to single sex rooms a man can simply dress up as women (and no one will even notice). They may not even identify as one. They just walk into a place where women are meant to feel safer and just commit the same type of crimes and maybe even worse.

What exactly is a ‘genuine’ transwoman? No matter how far down the transition road they are they will be male. Born male and die male.
If lockable cubicles are the answer then put them in the men’s. Transwomen can change in there.

Allowing males into women’s spaces even with floor to ceiling lockable cubicles, doesn’t stop:
Hidden cameras.
Masterbating in the next cubicle.
Leaving deposits in the cubicle for women to find.
Following a girl or woman into the cubicle and then being trapped behind a locked door.

This is what I’m saying sexual assault rarely get taken seriously. Meaning so many men are able to just walk out without no consequences. this is the bigger issue here.

In what world can a man dress up as a woman and "no one would even notice"?

Well women cant do anything avkut male behaviour kts on males to sort their shit out.

So best keep them out of female spaces . Then any who enter are making their intentions obvious.

How do we tell the genuine transwomen from the predatory men?

What about women who, for whatever reason - personal belief, trauma, cultural background, faith - cannot tolerate a mixed-sex changing space?

Why can we not keep male and female spaces for those who need them and create additional gender-neutral spaces for those who, for whatever reason, would find that a better option?

but men are doing it to other men in these spaces have have too but decades. What I am saying is if one of these creeps wants to find a way to sexually assault people they will do it.

This is a poor argument. Paedophiles will always find a way to abuse children and DBS checks only identify those who have previously been convicted so let's get rid of DBs checks? We don't throw out hands up and abandon safeguarding just because predators are determined and resourceful.

A transwoman who simply wants to be identify as a woman. Who internally have felt like they were born as. Is different to one who is dressing up as a women to enter into the female space to commit sexual assault to a women in what is meant to be a safe space. I’m intrigued to know how having women only changing room would prevent the later from happening?

That's like saying cyclists still have accidents in cycle lanes so no point having them.

How do we know any of that?

Ask them?

I'm.not gonna steal your money can I have your PIN please ?
Is my declaration of honesty enough for you to trust me ?

If not then why should we trust a male that says thet have an unverifiable feeling?

You don't see how having women only changing rooms with no societal expectation or acceptance of males entering would stop males from entering?

Or is this just the old "women get attacked anyway so who cares if they get attacked more" line of reasoning?

The reason I brought up Jimmy saville is because I was simply explaining the length these types of people will go. Saville has nothing to be with teamgenderism but has everything to do with sexual assault. His way of doing that and getting away with it was through his charity.

Other people will be to dress up as women or to try and find unisex changing rooms/toilets to commit their crimes.

Too many people still think in terms of "genuine trans people", there is no gate keeping anymore, anyone who says they are trans is a genuine trans person.

Expecting transwomen to present in a feminine way = transphobia
Only allowing transwomen who've had surgery into single sex spaces = transphobia
Suggesting predatory males may exploit this cultural change = accusing transwomen of being sexual predators and therefore transphobia.