To think most Brexiteers must now regret their vote?

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If you voted Brexit, do you feel like you have been able to "Take Back Control?" If so, where? Can anyone state one positive change since Brexit - I would genuinely like to hear at least something. Anything?

YANBU - I voted Brexit but now regret it
YABU - I voted Brexit and can see a benefit

Some people genuinely will feel this is a good price to pay for Brexit.
Some have moved on and/or won't connect what happened with Brexit.
Some will regret it.

Whatever, it won't change anything. I voted remain, BTW.

It runs that if people voted differently to you that you probably won't constitute what amounts to a benefit.

Someone said "yeah this is better for me" and your response was "yeah but it's it really? and what about me anyway"

I would class myself a reluctant remainer. If we had a more reliable government then I could definitely imagine some likely benefits from being outside of the EU but with this lot, who seem pretty inept at most things except for personal enrichment, I think it will be pretty ugly.

Yep £11ph felt like a lottery win. By the lowest paid I meant those on minimum wage who can now make the most of the Labour shortage and move to employers who are having to offer more for their skills.

Well, no, because it doesn't matter what the number is on your pay packet, it matters what you can buy with it.

There is high inflation globally - but the UK has worse economic indicators including additional inflation caused by Brexit.

brexit is pushing our economy further into recessiona nd is pushing up rpices for all of us.

If we had a more reliable government then I could definitely imagine some likely benefits from being outside of the EU but with this lot, who seem pretty inept

lot of truth to this, tbh. I’m not British so don’t really have a strong opinion about Brexit, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to be strapped to Europe at the moment either, since they are inept too and the continent as a whole just seems sclerotic and losing the ability to compete in the global economy—particularly if Germany cannot get its act together

This is the classic mistake people make who do not work in economic areas.

Artificial labour shortages will ALWAYS lead to reduced output and higher prices. That will then lead to lower economic growth, thus lower tax revenues. Public services will then deteriorate.

See Switzerland. They tried something like Brexit to stop immigratiom and it blew up in their face.

In the case of a builder in a sector who sees a labour shortage now, he will be able to negotiate higher nominal wages, but these will be mostly eroded by higher prices (inflation), thus his real wages did not grow as much.

Very few workers will be able to secure higher real wages (HGV drivers for example are another group that likely will).

In the aggregate, the increase in nominal wages of all of the groups will ALWAYS be beaten by a higher increase in prices (because businesses will cut output and raise prices to survive when they cannot source enough labour to grow), thus leading to a reduction in real wages.

And that is precisely what is happening now. Output is being cut by businesses as they cannot find enough workers, leading to higher prices, whose increase will be higher than any nominal wage increases.

The net effect is that the country as a whole is poorer.

You will see how fast services deteriorate in the UK due to the loss of tax revenus due to lower economic output (and growth).

The reality now is that the UK bar London is in terminal decline due to demographics and poor levels of immigration.

Without immigration the UK is simply poorer.

Thats how it works.

The UK is in a class of itself when it comes to economic problems.

Being tied to Europe would have helped the UK deal with its many economic problems

Now that we are isolated, we arr completely exposed to a whole plethora of economic risks.

The EU can use its size to spread the pain around.

The UK does not have that option.

In fact, the next 24 months will very likely lead to a serious BOP problem in the UK, leading to a material amount of austerity. There is no other way to make up for the loss of tax revenues. We have a huge budgetary hole, an aging population, and very poor productivity.

If you are below 30 in the UK, I always encourage people to LEAVE the country. There is no future for young people in the UK.

Wrong.

The end result of your Brexit vote was always an extreme right-wing Government.

I really despise people with your mentality.

You try to deflect blame for your vote by kicking the proverbial can down the road to an imaginary future of "unicorns".

You own every single economic repercussion that is about to befall the UK.

You have actively made 50% of the population poorer.

And that is on YOU.

My main hope for the future is that eventually people with your views will be openly mocked for their delusions. As it should be.

The vast majority will never admit to it.

I didn't have the right to vote then, but living in an area that had all UKIP councillors and now has their third incarnation - I don't see any evidence of regrets or why they would. It's benefited them marvelously. They used the second referendum argument to maintain power for years, which entrenched them in the communities while no one else has put the effort in. They've more councillors in my city now than when the Brexit vote happened.

I wonder if Remainers regret relying on the status quo or feel any anger towards those remain politicians who didn't bother to work on any options pre-Brexit to deal with concerns about the EU. I know I was told afterwards that remain didn't need to campaign because it was the status quo - as if incumbents never run campaigns or discuss further changes they want to put in - and that attitude, the attitude that any concern was just foolishness, being thick or racist, that attitude that there was no point in discussing how to improve things with the EU because that would be admitted it's an institution with issues as if the media hadn't been discussing that repeatedly for so long, played right into the Brexitter hands. For all the bile thrown at them, I still think what they called the remain campaign was their own downfall and they should face more of that ire these threads always pull up towards those who voted for Brexit.

Those threads do come up with positives, but the OP just sticks their fingers in their ears, pretending not to listen.

Not all businesses increase prices to accommodate higher wages. Cheap labour allows businesses to be lazy, carrying on as they were with no incentive to innovate. As wages rise, they are forced to look for better productivity. They might now employ one well-paid member of staff to do the job of two low-paid employees, with the help of technology.

Right wing and Brexit are very much entwinned.

The Bennite left were against the EEC from the start, viewing it as a capitalist cartel.

Another repetitive, boring, holier than

Though thread about Brexit. Dull.

The UK joined the EEC on 01/01/1973

Inflation in 1973 was 7% and stayed higher than that for 10 years, and even reached 24% in 1975. Bank base rates also remained above 7% for 10 years.

When we joined, manufacturing accounted for 28% of the economy and employed over 8000 people. When we left it was only 10% of the economy and employed 3000 people.

When we joined, unemployment was 3.8%, but grew to 12% over the next 10 years.

Was this economic hardship due to joining the EEC - probably it had hardly any effect. Was it due to poor decisions from UK governments - partly (both Labour & Tories ruled 1973-1983). Then, as now, the biggest factor was lasting worldwide economic problems resulting from a localised foreign war (Yom Kippur).

The UK will have a hard time economically for at least the next 6-8 years, and again this period could well have both Tory and Labour (maybe in coalition) governments, and very little of the pain we face can be put down to being in or out of Europe.

My view can be summed up as we got 99 problems but Brexit ain't one

It depends how you define benefit. There are now many more job vacancies.

If you are looking for a job, that is a huge benefit. If you are an employer, it's harder to recruit certain workers. Any change in regulation benefits some at the expense of others.

It's OK, PM Truss has plans to increase immigration now.

Remain campaigned. Vote Leave lied and misrepresented the facts. Anyone who pointed this out was accused of Project Fear. This was ironic considering Leave manipulated people's fears into voting for them. They were also told not to listen to "experts" such as economists and business groups.🤯🤦‍♀️

Classic dunning Kruger. You really don't understand as much as you think you do.

I don't despise people with your limited mentality. Pity you, possibly.

You'll need to ask PM Truss that question as she plans to increase immigration.

A Brexit thread. Again? Groundbreaking.

You have to remember that a lot of the twats that voted Brexit thought it was a good way to protest - for that alone, or if they genuinely thought it was a good idea and didn't forsee a shit show, they must be missing a few braincells to start with.