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To think most Brexiteers must now regret their vote?

534 replies

hoovermanouvre · 24/09/2022 09:29

If you voted Brexit, do you feel like you have been able to "Take Back Control?" If so, where? Can anyone state one positive change since Brexit - I would genuinely like to hear at least something. Anything?

YANBU - I voted Brexit but now regret it
YABU - I voted Brexit and can see a benefit

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Hellisotherpeoplesfeet · 24/09/2022 10:26

a lot of them have forgotten about it already, and won't necessarily connect some of the impacts of Brexit with their vote.

Yes, this. My Brexit-voting mother just sees it as something that happened in the past and has no sense that anything happening now is connected to it. A complete lack of understanding of what Brexit was/is.

As this thread shows, even lots of remainers don’t want to talk about it anymore. It’s like we all have to repress our knowledge of it and pretend all is well and that we haven’t dealt ourselves a dreadful blow (see the Labour Party). I don’t think there’s any hope of any kind of attempt to improve things for decades, as that would involve some honesty.

Userg1234 · 24/09/2022 10:32

Not this shite again!
Ok for the 100th time no I do not

One good reason my mil is 92 and had a jab during the time the EU were bickering and trying to ensure they and in particular the richest countries in the EU got vacations. She got covid shortly after and was ill but ok.

balalake · 24/09/2022 10:33

The only positive about Brexit I can think of is the UKIP and allied Brexiteers not being in the European Parliament.

I voted Remain. No-one I know who supported Brexit has yet admitted it was the greatest economic mistake this country has made in decades.

pickledeggnog · 24/09/2022 10:33

Userg1234 · 24/09/2022 10:32

Not this shite again!
Ok for the 100th time no I do not

One good reason my mil is 92 and had a jab during the time the EU were bickering and trying to ensure they and in particular the richest countries in the EU got vacations. She got covid shortly after and was ill but ok.

We ordered our jabs before leaving the EU!!

Christ it's people like you that really show how ignorant those that voted for brexit are

The jabs aren't a brexit highlight

Being in the EU made no difference to use ordering in supplies

hoovermanouvre · 24/09/2022 10:37

There is no need for people to be defensive and angry.

Yes there are other threads, but nobody can ever think of a positive.

If you can think of a positive, just explain it.

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Newrumpus · 24/09/2022 10:43

hoovermanouvre · 24/09/2022 10:37

There is no need for people to be defensive and angry.

Yes there are other threads, but nobody can ever think of a positive.

If you can think of a positive, just explain it.

Try reading them again, carefully, and with an open mind.

Remember that a reason you don’t agree with, is still a reason and just because you have said you don’t agree with doesn’t make the reason invalid.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 24/09/2022 10:43

hoovermanouvre · 24/09/2022 10:37

There is no need for people to be defensive and angry.

Yes there are other threads, but nobody can ever think of a positive.

If you can think of a positive, just explain it.

Because there are no positives and you know it. Asking the question again won’t change that. It will entrench the division though which is pointless and weakens us all. Move beyond it now.

aliceinshackles · 24/09/2022 10:49

Newrumpus · 24/09/2022 09:36

Have you searched for previous threads in this topic OP? I recall seeing this question being asked previously

Yes and I answered as a person who regretted and can't be arsed replying again to this thread .

hoovermanouvre · 24/09/2022 10:51

There are no stated positives to agree or disagree with, Newrumpus. Just attempted diversions to other threads, which in turn, are further attempts at diversion. We're six years on now, so I was wondering if anyone might be able to mention something retrospectively.

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WonkasBooboofixer · 24/09/2022 10:56

Brexit positive - Construction workers now being better paid and having more employment opportunities now the Labour Market isn't flooded with cheap labour from Eastern Europe.

WonkasBooboofixer · 24/09/2022 11:00

Just based on my experience of course.

ilovesooty · 24/09/2022 11:03

IpanemaChic · 24/09/2022 10:00

There are no Brexit positives and the budget we saw yesterday is the end result of Brexit to help the wealthy, create a low tax uk, deregulation, fracking, fill beaches and rivers with poo etc.

I doubt many regret their vote. It’s too late anyway, the EU will not accept the UK back in its current state which is only going to get worse.

Agreed.

Newrumpus · 24/09/2022 11:05

We are no longer associated with the EU immigration policy, fortress Europe and dodgy attempts to keep the wrong type of immigrants out.

GreenGreenArse · 24/09/2022 11:07

That’s great for some construction workers (but could have been sorted by UK having decent labour laws and the Tories not smashing the unions rather than leaving the EU) but the overall picture of labour shortages in so many other vital sectors to the economy is awful.

hoovermanouvre · 24/09/2022 11:10

Thankyou for mentioning a positive from your perspective WonkasBooboofixer.

Have builder's wages really gone up though? We're having an extension building and every quote we had was from East European builders / companies. The men's wages are the same, but the cost of materials has gone up since Brexit and this is just passed in to the consumer.

We're in London though. Maybe it's different elsewhere.

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Jedsnewstar · 24/09/2022 11:14

For the most part people are defensive and struggle to admit when they were wrong. For this reason I doubt many see it that way. The same with those who voted for Boris. They also often reply with ‘well it would have been so much worse with Corbyn’.
Seriously there is no hope so don’t bother.

bellabasset · 24/09/2022 11:18

I haven't voted as I voted Remain. When I was listening to the Budget yesterday re the bankers bonuses and the lowering of the higher rate tax the thought that struck me was that the move of banks and headquarters of companies from the UK due to Brexit is behind reduction in taxes and they want to encourage the service industry and companies back to Britain. I'm waiting to hear what the Rees Mogg explanation is😂

SineOfTheThymes · 24/09/2022 11:19

I think you'd have to look at how people voted, and why. There are several distinct groups, and reasons for voting. See here:

lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/

I'd imagine some people would have changed their opinion, some might feel vindicated.

walkingonsunshinekat · 24/09/2022 11:26

AndSoFinally · 24/09/2022 10:21

I voted remain. I can (sort of) remember thinking of something as positive at the time it happened, but the details are hazy.

Wasn't there something during Covid about the fact that the U.K. had reacted early and ordered lots of vaccines while the EU hadn't? And if we'd still been part of the EU we'd have to share our pile with them leaving us with not enough?

Like I say, hazy details, but that's all I can think of!

Actually it was EU rules which we were still following that enabled the UK to approve AZ first, we then had a brilliant roll out, unfortunately AZ proved to have some side effects, so the UK stopped using AZ on younger age groups but was behind the curve on ordering Pfizer etc & couldn't access EU stocks.

So EU caught up as our vaccine roll out faltered.

note the UK isn't using much AZ now, its simply no longer effective against Omicron and AZ isn't developing a 2 pronged vaccine as Pfizer Moderna etc are.

Johnson simply lied.

Hellisotherpeoplesfeet · 24/09/2022 11:38

Newrumpus · 24/09/2022 11:05

We are no longer associated with the EU immigration policy, fortress Europe and dodgy attempts to keep the wrong type of immigrants out.

But we've always had complete control over our own non-EU immigration. We could let in absolutely anyone we wanted. If we didn't, it's because voters voted for parties with restrictive immigration policies- nothing to do with the EU.

Newrumpus · 24/09/2022 11:40

That isn’t what I meant

Hellisotherpeoplesfeet · 24/09/2022 11:41

What did you mean then?

WonkasBooboofixer · 24/09/2022 11:42

hoovermanouvre · 24/09/2022 11:10

Thankyou for mentioning a positive from your perspective WonkasBooboofixer.

Have builder's wages really gone up though? We're having an extension building and every quote we had was from East European builders / companies. The men's wages are the same, but the cost of materials has gone up since Brexit and this is just passed in to the consumer.

We're in London though. Maybe it's different elsewhere.

Yep hubby's been a builder for 30 years and every day he's getting calls about jobs rates on agency have shot up to £23PH from lows of £11 in 2010 to 15ish. Brother is an infrastructure engineer and he's the same, yes theres a labour shortage but the upside to that is it pushes wages up for everyone else. My employer has to pay over minimum wage to attract employees and anything that puts money into the hands of the lower earning sections of society can only be a good thing with the cost of living increases affecting those the hardest

Newrumpus · 24/09/2022 11:42

As I said, that we are no longer part of the EU therefore we are not associated with their practices.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 24/09/2022 11:43

MacarenaMacarena · 24/09/2022 10:17

Also not a Brexit voter, but von der Leyen is saying it like it is - there are some countries in EU that are getting carried away with some very nasty right wing parties - Hungary and Poland so far, Italy on the edge. These counties are now run by governments that are seriously eroding the authority of the courts and the rule of law, they despise minorities, elevate and impose their interpretation of religion, ban abortions/trade unions/same sex marriage/free speech and protests, oversee increase in police brutality... The post war period inspired the collaborations that created the EU, to make life in Europe better and safer for all of us. Our brexit is just one of the sad rejections of that mechanism to protect our future. Thank you to the EU for trying to guide other countries away from damaging decisions. For Italy, a country vulnerable to idealising Mussolini and blaming any woes on EU, this guidance from von der Leyen needs to be taken on board.

Blimey! so you think that an effectively unelected woman from one country is justified in interfering democratic vote of another country.

Glad we are out of that mess.