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To think most Brexiteers must now regret their vote?

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hoovermanouvre · 24/09/2022 09:29

If you voted Brexit, do you feel like you have been able to "Take Back Control?" If so, where? Can anyone state one positive change since Brexit - I would genuinely like to hear at least something. Anything?

YANBU - I voted Brexit but now regret it
YABU - I voted Brexit and can see a benefit

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MrsHarrisgoestoTimbuctoo · 28/09/2022 19:22

@OldName78 Here are some stats for you - don't thank me, my pleasure 🙂

OldName78 · 28/09/2022 19:32

@MrsHarrisgoestoTimbuctoo, I can't thank you for that. Specifically, your original comment related to research on education level and brexit voting patterns.

@KnightKnurse I guess the person is category 2? Post an answer, not to the question answered.

OK, at least it helps me contextualize any future responses. MN debates are the best!

MrsHarrisgoestoTimbuctoo · 28/09/2022 19:41

@OldName78 Enjoy;

www.facebook.com/bbcthree/videos/quickies-breaking-up-with-a-remoaner/2243826552508985/

BambinaJAS · 28/09/2022 19:44

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OldName78 · 28/09/2022 19:58

@BambinaJAS, I'd not categorise the responses like that. My original question was a very open and honest one, being ambivalent on Brexit

But it's classic, not answering the very simple fact-based question, and it why statistics are helpful for some people.

Using the label "thicko leavers" is disparaging. Not everyone has the same educational opportunities in England, and that is something we really need to address, especially in the science and tech areas

Alexandra2001 · 28/09/2022 20:09

MrsHarrisgoestoTimbuctoo · 28/09/2022 18:02

@BambinaJAS
All the tax you and the rest of your cohort paid over you working lifetime does NOT cover what you will extract (pensions, healthcare, social care etc.) because your average life expectancy at 65 is now 18 years.
Those 18 years used to be 10 when you were born.
We are going broke as a country because of that.

So anyone over 55 should go and shoot themselves on the rhubarb?

She isn't wrong, any visit to the GP's (if you can get f2f) or a vascular/stroke/orthopedic will show you the majority of patients are over 60, my DD works on these wards, she spends her entire day dealing with complex age related issues and trying to get them out living at home independently BUT there isn't enough younger folk to care for them at home, so they are stuck in hospital.

With the balance of tax payers to retired increasing, the only way forward is to use the assets of the elderly to pay for their care, not just EOL but all of it (where feasible)

But as Bambina states, the "grey vote" keeps the Tories in power, so there will be no change.

BTW i'm 60, i fully expect to have to fund my care going forward.

The weird thing is, the country was better able to look after the elder IN the EU than it is out, but many (not all) leave voters were too stupid to see that, though i do think the blinkers are coming off.

TomPinch · 28/09/2022 20:11

Alexandra2001 · 28/09/2022 06:48

Rubbish, i doubt few know how Govt/Parliament "works", let alone the influence of lobby groups... so according to you, its undemocratic!

Why the fuck should anyone in the commonwealth have FOM to the UK ? do we in the UK have FOM to NZ, Aus or Canada??? or do we have to be below a certain age, have skills etc etc....

The UK system is relatively simple. You elect people to parliament, which has supreme lawmaking power, and the. I think the average person understands that the result of the general election will determine who rules them.

Regarding FOM and the Commonwealth, it used to be absolute but that's ancient history now. My DGF moved to the UK and fought in the British Army during WW2. No permissions needed. But in more recent times the UK government clamped down on Commonwealth immigration, probably because they wanted to me seen to be doing something about immigration and couldn't or wouldn't (I understand the latter) do anything about EU immigration.

Also my two cents worth on a couple of things BambinaJAS had said:

My DF worked many years in the NHS and he also says that the majority of its budget gets spent on fixing up the elderly. In the past they'd see a gerontologist, ie, managed decline. Now they get fixed up. The change happened in the 90s.

The other point re aging demographics: well, every Western country is dealing with this. That's why immigration is happening.

But that's my last contribution to this sterling-crash of a thread.

Alexandra2001 · 28/09/2022 20:24

The UK system is relatively simple. You elect people to parliament, which has supreme lawmaking power, and the. I think the average person understands that the result of the general election will determine who rules them

No different to the EU system then? apart from the EU Parliament have almost no impact on your life - ever since Brexit, no one ever has been able to name a single EU law UK was forced to follow that impacted their life.

Parliament isn't above the law either.

Yes you re right on a sterling crash, we need FOM to Aus.

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