To think most Brexiteers must now regret their vote?

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If you voted Brexit, do you feel like you have been able to "Take Back Control?" If so, where? Can anyone state one positive change since Brexit - I would genuinely like to hear at least something. Anything?

YANBU - I voted Brexit but now regret it
YABU - I voted Brexit and can see a benefit

Of course sweetie.

Now go fetch us some turnips from your garden.

@Ratched Whilst I agree that the old/young divide is shite, and that not ALL 'boomers' are/rolling in it, (and some are actually quite poor-ish, with not much of a secure financial future,) I don't think YOU have done too badly, despite your tale of supposed penury and suffering. .

If you have been able to afford to support your kids through Uni, and help them buy houses, and you have a very good pension, then you HAVE done OK out of life. And you admit your house was very cheap! So YOU in fact are one of those boomers who the 'haters' go on about!

MANY people I know born in the mid 1960s, and the 1970s (gen Xers) did NOT have the good fortune you boomers did, and absolutely couldn't even fork out a fiver towards a deposit for their child's house. Let alone an adequate deposit needed for it.

And most (now adult) children I know/have known pay for their own wedding! (At least this century anyway...) A few I know have had mummy and daddy pay. Which makes me cringe. In this day and age, I think it's pretty shady that grown-ass adults are taking money off mummy and daddy for a wedding - AND for a house deposit.

How about they earn their own money and support themselves? I think it's a bit embarrassing and cringe and shameful to be an ADULT in your late 20s or 30s and have your parents fund your life!

@BambinaJAS

Agree with a pp. How utterly embarrassing that you slate the education levels of older people, and YOUR post is flawed. (Should be IT'S abysmally bad! You left the apostrophe out!!!) How incredibly silly you look. Go and stand in the corner, facing the wall with your hands on your head!!! 😂

I absolutely agree with everything you've said.

I admitted, I have been lucky, by an accident of when I was born. I can't help that, but I am being demonised for it.
I tried to put over how from the age of 17 to, probably mid to late 30s, money was extremely tight, then children being older, better salary due to experience etc,, made life a lot nicer, simply to try and show that it wasn't plain sailing for all of our/my life.
When my husband was made redundant in the crash in the 90s, he took the only job he could find to keep us afloat. He worked 300 miles away and slept on a colleagues floor while I worked full time during the day and 2 evenings a week to try and keep our house from being repossessed.

BUT - I freely acknowledge, I am one of the lucky ones. I just cannot flagellate myself enough to make some people happy 😁

That's not how politics works. It doesn't matter what most voters want, what matters is what the specific ones whose votes you need in specific target seats want. In Labour's case that means Leave-voting traditional Labour voters in red wall seats who deserted them for the Tories in 2019, which is of course why arch-Remainer Starmer has so proudly changed his stripes.

This is correct.

Starmer has the problem that any anti-Brexit view would immediately be used against him by the right wing media.

And its the right wing media that influences the less educated Brexit-voting folks in the leave voting areas.

So he is staying quiet.

As a strategy, it is understandable. In order to be able to dilute Brexit and its negative effects you have to get elected first. As can be seen now, being in the opposition does not accomplish much.

@BambinaJAS
All the tax you and the rest of your cohort paid over you working lifetime does NOT cover what you will extract (pensions, healthcare, social care etc.) because your average life expectancy at 65 is now 18 years.
Those 18 years used to be 10 when you were born.
We are going broke as a country because of that.

So anyone over 55 should go and shoot themselves on the rhubarb?

That last part doesn't follow - it can cost plenty more in healthcare and other costs for an elderly person than the price of an extension. And anyway "the Grey Vote" is a reference to the entire part of the population over a certain age, whereas you are only referring to a subset of that (those in their own homes, with enough money to afford home improvements etc.)

I actually have some sympathy for your argument here. I just object to the tone of it.
Why pitch old against young?
We know there is a problem with funding in this country and I absolutely agree it needs discussion. But rather than advocating mass extermination of the over 60s, why can't we work together to discuss possible solutions?

There are lots of potential money saving options that would benefit everyone, but rather than consider them, your first line of attack is at people who were simply born at the 'wrong' time.

When you have natured a little bit, we can discuss and debate😉

Asking people if they regret their choice is not very useful or interesting for me. We had the vote, I wanted to stay in EU, but the result in and it's over.

While it's over for now things do change and evolve over a longer timescale and people are not great on these predictions. We voted to leave now, we voted to join 50 years ago. Who knows about the future? Vote to rejoin the EU? It's possible that neither the EU or the UK will exist in their current for by them?

I'd expect re-joining would be problematic too. There are always a distinct anti-English undertone in much of the EU (just English, not for Scots or Welsh or Irish) at many levels. That will only get worse there after we win the world cup 😀

Fair enough! 😘

I'm not a boomer. Born in the early 1970s. Sorry to disappoint you HUN.

Also @Grandeur @BambinaJAS does not have lots of good points... She is rude and ageist!!!

@scaredoff That last part doesn't follow - it can cost plenty more in healthcare and other costs for an elderly person than the price of an extension.

The people I am talking about have private healthcare, as I do.

The money spent on an extension will help keep a business running, which will provide employment for others - never heard of 'trickle-down economics'?

Oh I've heard of it alright. A friendly unicorn told me all about it.

The reason is political.

The Grey Vote keeps the Conservatives in power via FPTP.

In order to keep staying in power, the Conservatives funnel more money and freebies to the Grey Vote to the detriment of everybody else (children and working people). This has gotten so bad over the last 20 years that the Grey Vote has the lowest poverty rate of any demographic. Working people are actually poorer than the retired folks now (which is really crazy).

I would LOVE to have a rational conversation about long-term public funding but from historical experience I can tell you:

The vast majority of the over 65s do not want to hear it. They are simply not interested. Their "feelings" are their own truth, and no "facts" will change their views.

I have come to the conclusion that this problem is being driven by a lack of education among the over 65s.

The educated over 65s (yes they do exist), are more than willing to listen to the facts, and wil be more than happy to discuss the situation. They understand funding levels, lifetime contributions, life expectancy, and economic fairness.

The less educated over 65s (these are found in the leave voting areas) will simply complain and call you ageist, a bad person, "we paid in all of our lives", etc.. They are simply not interested, and that is a function of being unable to understand (education), some degree of denial (not my problem types), and straight up bigotry (don't want my tax going to those foreigners sort of thing).

Worth saying:

The more the situation gets ignored due to politics, the worse the snap financial correction will be, primarily because at that point the funding difference (being subsidised by the working folks and public debt) will be substantial.

What you are seeing now in the markets, is a small window into the snap financial correction that I have referred to.

@MrsHarrisgoestoTimbuctoo I'm very interested to see the links I hope you can share on education level and Brexit vote. I look forward to reading them. It would help enhance the credibility of your posts on this thread, with me. Thanking you in advance!

I can never tell when you're being sarcastic or not tbh.

I think it's so funny how offended people are getting though, reporting all posts that include the term "boomer" which is being used in reference to the generation demographic, as if it's somehow being used as an insult.

Bambina included a lot of statistics and factual information based on economic and financial models, where age and generation are entirely relevant. If you disagree so strongly then feel free to disprove her "rude and ageist" posts with facts and statistics. Oh wait, you can't.

If you disagree so strongly then feel free to disprove her "rude and ageist" posts with facts and statistics. Oh wait, you can't.

With respect, the overriding tone of the debate is hardly going to encourage participation from both sides given some of the puerile comments. Particularly ironic given one of the central arguments is level of education.

These Brexit threads tend to go one way. Remain voters hurl insults and offensive comments at Leave voters, who decide there's very little to be gained from participating in anything that is notionally couched as a debate.

Thus the thread becomes another happy echo chamber of Remain voters.

There was a brilliant thread recently about why people voted Conservative. All posts were respectful and, as a result, it was a very interesting debate with valid points raised on both sides.

@OldName78 I'm very interested to see the links I hope you can share on education level and Brexit vote. I look forward to reading them.

Really? I'm sure someone who could speak Latin at 11 and was probably reciting the Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám in their pram, doesn't need any help from me.

It would help enhance the credibility of your posts on this thread, with me.

And I should be bothered about your opinion because.......?

@MrsHarrisgoestoTimbuctoo My original comment with respect to education and Brexit voting patterns, was stating a fact. You might not like it?

If you are have a basic understanding of stats you might enjoy this.
www.statsguy.co.uk/brexit-voting-and-education/

Still hoping you'll share some reputable links. Thanking you in advance 😀

@OldName78 don't be so persistent :) I've seen if many times on MN when a person is debating facts over years here on these forums. They either silently disappear ... and don't answer the question ... or they make another irrelevant comment or criticism ... and don't answer the question. If you expect a fact-based reply you are being fairly silly.

I think the people underestimate the impact of the UKIP messaging at the time with the general public. It seemed very visible to me. As proud Englishwoman I'd agree with several of the top line statements about our country, culture. They seemed to tell a better story at the time.

@OldName78 Just for you -