To think most Brexiteers must now regret their vote?

[hoovermanouvre]

If you voted Brexit, do you feel like you have been able to "Take Back Control?" If so, where? Can anyone state one positive change since Brexit - I would genuinely like to hear at least something. Anything?

YANBU - I voted Brexit but now regret it
YABU - I voted Brexit and can see a benefit

Incorrect.

Skin color or ethnicity is completely irrelevant.

The only question that matter is:

Can you add value at the job?

Thats it. It really is not that difficult.

Competition is what breeds excellence and productivity.

Nobody cares about your country or skin color.

Jobs are not based on charity.

You don't get paid just to show up. You get paid for adding value to your employer. If you cannot do this better than other people, then you will be replaced by someone who can.

If you cannot handle this, then thats on you.

Clearly you are not one of the people I referred to, you are one of those who is quite openly happy to bring in people from other countries to do crappy jobs to support citizens in having a nicer life. (Or that's the theory.)

It would be nice if people who go on about the moral superiority of the Remain position could take that on.

I’m a remainer and always have been.

However, I don’t think your own attitude is any better than many Brexiteers tbh. Your posts are arrogant, scornful and actually a load of nonsense.

Not to mention your apparent toxic glee about some people who you say will be ‘impoverished’. That’s just nasty.

You clearly seem to have yourself down as a superior intellectual. When people act like this, it comes across as an inferiority complex. And also does nothing of any use.

It’s also not insignificant that the vote was very evenly split. Nearly half of us didn’t bloody want this. Saying that British people are stupid is the same as saying Americans were stupid for voting for Donald Trump.

I still think David Cameron is to blame by allowing this nonsense in the first place. Most people don’t usually even bother to read manifestos, let alone understand the implications of leaving the EU. Political apathy is the problem.

Possibly because of some pesky regulations that the Tories will now try and do away with

Eh??

I didn't vote for Brexit. I'm fact I didn't vote in the referendum at all and wouldn't consider myself a Brexiteer.

I'm someone who used to live in the UK, hasn't got some time, and has one foot in and one foot, not just outside the UK but outside Europe as a whole. That's the vantage point that I'm coming from.

Gosh 🤭

Nope. The main problem with the NHS is much simpler than that - it's underfunded.

What this line always neglects to mention is that the UK consistently spends a significantly lower proportion of GPD on healthcare than other comparable countries. You talk about "pouring large amounts of money into it" as if those amounts are large by comparison with other health systems. They aren't. We don't know whether "pouring" the kind of money that other countries "pour" into healthcare into the NHS would work, because it hasn't been tried yet.

Well, actually it was tried to an extent under the last Labour government. And miraculously, waiting times were slashed and service improved according to nearly all metrics.

The idea that the NHS has to keep being "modernised" within an inch of its life, and the use of that idea to justify chronic underfunding of fundamental valid workable structures that already exist within it, is a pernicious Tory lie. Actually, studies have shown that the NHS delivers some of the best efficiency in the world, comparing outcomes to the resources put into them. Having a single state run system like that actually has numerous huge advantages like the ability to obtain favourable prices through bulk purchasing.

Then there's the problem that the NHS is currently carrying the can for the chronic underfunding of social care as well, as patients are kept in hospitals due to having no suitable circumstances to be released to, for example.

I love it that the result is 61% YABU. (Out of almost 600 people at the moment!)

HOW the tide has turned!

@hoovermanouvre YABU. No-one I know who voted to LEAVE the EU regrets it. I know you'd like to believe most people do, but that's just not the case.

Shame.

Even Tim Martin from Wetherspoons regrets Brexit:

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wetherspoons-brexit-bars-eu-migration-b1858035.html?amp

Of course they don’t. All the ones I know voted to take back control and stop all the bad European laws - they couldn’t name any but they wanted to stop them.
They can now wrap themselves in their St George flags and fantasise about shagging Nigel garage.

No-one I know who voted to LEAVE the EU regrets it. I know you'd like to believe most people do, but that's just not the case.

Same here, no one I know regrets it. Nor are they racist nor uneducated.

Mind you, the title of the thread didn't help. "AIBU to think that most Brexiteers must now regret their vote". Anyone having done the joys of a Geography questionnaire at school have it drummed in to them to not ask leading questions.

"Do any Leave voters regret their decision?" might have encouraged a more nuanced debate. But I'm not sure that was ever the intention of the thread.

Rubbish, i doubt few know how Govt/Parliament "works", let alone the influence of lobby groups... so according to you, its undemocratic!

Why the fuck should anyone in the commonwealth have FOM to the UK ? do we in the UK have FOM to NZ, Aus or Canada??? or do we have to be below a certain age, have skills etc etc....

Plenty regret their vote, anecdotes are worthless but i'll add my own... as someone said to me last week "i voted out, if i knew how things were going to turn out, i'd have voted to remain, there was no plan"

Polling shows (some) people have changed their minds & as we go into even more self inflicted economic hardship, an even worse NHS, we'll see EU membership become more attractive, its now 54/46 to rejoin! (this is across 6 different polls)

Nrtft but:
None of the issues with Brexit are clearly just down to Brexit so it is easy to blame COVID/ Ukraine. People can easily dismiss any issues as caused by these.

Any issues from Brexit due to traveling is due to those europeans they have voted to leave which means it was good to leave cos they are horrible...

Government have banged on about vaccines due to not being in Europe...

Some wanted brexit for idealogical reasons; they are not going to have changed their mind

I doubt most of those who voted Brexit have changed their mind to be honest.

I asked earlier what the benefits are for someone like me if we had remained in the EU and only got one reply which was debunked. I'm still not convinced returning to the EU would benefit someone like me.

Both sides think they know best - see below which has the arguments for vs the arguments against. I saw this in an argument someone was having and this is where we are with people's attitudes:

1. "We get to live and work in 27+ nations visa free" vs "we can't control who comes to work and live here from 27 nations visa free".
2. "We can trade freely with 27 nations" vs "we can't control the terms with those outside the EU that we can trade freely with".
3. "We get economic benefits from being in the EU" vs "we have to pay billions to be in the EU and we believe those economic benefits can be replicated by a normal FTA".
4. "We have the benefit of the EU having checks and balances over our national government vs "we have an unelected government and courts that can rule over our elected ones".

WhoDatDen very good points. But it won't go down well on this thread as it's really just a smokescreen to abuse anyone who voted Leave as uneducated racists.

Like most of the hundreds of MN threads on this topic.

@red4321 WhoDatDen very good points. But it won't go down well on this thread as it's really just a smokescreen to abuse anyone who voted Leave as uneducated racists.
Like most of the hundreds of MN threads on this topic.

That about sums it up.
It seems the "remoaners" are well-named !

Polling shows (some) people have changed their minds & as we go into even more self inflicted economic hardship, an even worse NHS, we'll see EU membership become more attractive, its now 54/46 to rejoin! (this is across 6 different polls)

If that’s the case then why aren’t Labour promising to rejoin if they win the next election? If the majority of voters want this then surely it would be a vote winner.

@Andante57
If that’s the case then why aren’t Labour promising to rejoin if they win the next election? If the majority of voters want this then surely it would be a vote winner.

They'll probably put it in the next manifesto after they've decided what a "woman" is. So don't hold your breath. 🙄

MrsHarris - yes.

Setting out reasons to not rejoin the EU or ‘why the EU doesn’t benefit me’, is misplaced because the UK is not going to be accepted back. Sewage in rivers/beaches, deregulation and now a rapidly tanking economy.

This year Ukraine was accepted as a candidate country to join the EU. The EU has moved on and so should you.

No it isn’t as Farage and co would have continued to lobby for leaving and would be demanding another vote.

Policy shouldn't be decided on polling & as well you know, polls can be very fickle, though if it proves to be a popular plan, maybe Truss will become a remainer again

Anyway, rejoin isn't on the agenda, there wont be another vote, EU wouldn't accept us back and as much as it pains me, the EU is better off without us.

@IpanemaChic

The EU wouldn't prevent us coming back in because of sewage.

The reason they wouldn't want us back in is because the UK in general doesn't have a positive attitude towards the EU and never really wanted to be part of it. Everything that went on in the EU we were dragged into kicking and screaming. The UK was a barrier to progress in the EU and better off out of it for both parties.

The reason they would want us back in is because of the financial burden we would shoulder in being there. In particular, I don't think they would want us back in unless we joined the EZ, and the reason they would want us back in for that is so we could help shore up the currency and mitigate the impact of the PIIGS on the EZ, which is currently being shouldered by the Germans.

In terms of countries they want to let into the EU, they want large countries that are undeveloped, to allow economic expansion. Ukraine and Turkey both fit this description. Basically Northern European exports have hollowed out the Southern European economies, there is no further growth in expanding into that area and they are looking for new markets to get into to sell Northern European products. The only places to do that are in the East, hence current run in with Russia.