To think most Brexiteers must now regret their vote?

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If you voted Brexit, do you feel like you have been able to "Take Back Control?" If so, where? Can anyone state one positive change since Brexit - I would genuinely like to hear at least something. Anything?

YANBU - I voted Brexit but now regret it
YABU - I voted Brexit and can see a benefit

I lived in the US for over 10 years

I literally laughed OUT LOUD that you equated Medicaid to the NHS.

Medicaid gives you the absolute bare minimum assuming you are accepted at the provider level (many hospitals do not accept medicaid patients).

With the NHS, every public hospital in the UK is open to you based on need.

Its laughable you equate the two.

Wherever you live now I’m willing to bet it’s not actually the UK.

I am still laighing over that one.

My lord.

Example:

Getting cancer treatment using Medicaid vs NHS

Emergency care in the US hides the truth: that if you need care for a longer term condition you are toast in the US under Medicaid Vs NHS

Which is also precisely why lower income folks in the US are worse off.

I am in London.

And yes, I know we have to ration care even more in the UK now due to labour shortages and spending cuts.

And no, NHS is still better than Medicaid even under these conditions.

To be completely honest I'd be surprised to hear any positive news.

I am in London.

Who exactly are these ‘natives’ you keep talking about?

Sorry, I read your post wrong!

Natives are any local (resident) person in the working population (18 - 64) that is looking for a job.

The problem with the NHS is that the system needs modernising. It is viewed almost as a religious shrine and every time somebody tries to bring it up to date there are howls that it is being ‘privatised’ or the like. I am all for the NHS but it’s no good keep pouring large amounts of money into it without actually modernising the structure. It is woefully inadequate

We’re still going to import cheap labour though? The Tories have made immigration to the UK for non EU countries much easier than it used to be, and Liz Truss has recently announced plans to relax immigration rules further to help businesses recruit overseas workers. Only difference is where the cheap labour comes from.

I fully agree it can be improved.

But Medicaid is still much worse.

Sort out staffing levels, morale and pay, then restructure.

Do it the other way round, when the nhs is in many cases, not functioning, would just make matters worse.

To help fund this, i d introduce some charging (most EU countries charge for things) exemptions for various groups of people.

The NHS can be modernised without privatisation, which in many cases have been a disaster... my DD's hospital have recently run out of wheelchairs, provided by a private company, thats led to un safe release of patients into the community, so they come back in again, as they can't live at home.

Anyway, isn't this off topic.

That is the thing about choosing to leave - we are stuck with the consequences good or bad. They didn't end when the voting did.

This is also 100% the case if we'd voted to remain.

Only way that works is if you start charging the people that use it most.

Over 80% of NHS spending in the UK is on the over 55s

Until they start paying in, the funding model will not work.

Even in the US, the retired folks have to pay for Medicare coverage. This is a subsidised public option.

But because of the Grey Vote in the UK, the retired folks pay zero NI.

This is pure madness.

I admit I only hear stories about the NHS but you really know nothing about the US system if you’d rather get cancer treatment elsewhere. Even a rural US hospital gives you a good treatment. That some hospitals refuse Medicare and Medicaid patients is no surprise to me; they can refuse you if you are on another insurance programme. It’s normal 🤷‍♀️plenty of others around

You can add almost any modern organisation, political party, let alone Govt or Parliament/Civil Service.

We don't have referendums on NATO, TRident or even HS2 .. why? because most folk are not military experts, nuclear weapon designers or train experts... we delegate to MPs and Govt to make the decisions for us.... hopefully in our best interests lol!

EU membership should be done in the same way, Cameron put exiting the EU in his manifesto, with how he will do it, time scales etc... we vote for his party and he can exit the EU in an orderly way, with the mandate to do so with his MPs on board as they stood on that platform.

Or we don't...

Sure. But we would be wealthier.

SMEs that used to export to EU have either collapsed or moved.

The damage is immense.

We have destroyed a portion of our productive capacity.

That is serious but people seem oblivious to this.

This is why this nationalistic bent in the UK will only end in tears. There is no other way. It had to burn itself out via massive self-imposed suffering.

Most will not regret it. The Brexiteer mindset isn’t about benefits or not, it’s about winning and losing. They won, you should get over it and that’s as far as it goes.

I voted Brexit and don't regret it :) (I feel like I'm confessing a lot on Mumsnet tonight! Just admitted brushing my teeth over 10 times a day on another thread, so I really must name change right now before anyone knows who I am!!)

FWIW - I hate the conservative party (though i understand why people vote for them and appreciate their political.oponions, I just don't agree), I'm totally definitely not racist, I'm pro immigration and I'm not a bigot, or any of the other stereotypes people place on Brexit voters!! I had my reasons for voting Brexit and don't regret it!

The sad thing is that I could never admit in real life that I voted Brexit because everyone that knows me assumes I would have voted remain and I would likely lose friends over it. Which is really sad. I'm not the devil. I just have a different (and I believe valid) opinion.

As I explained yesterday there is an enormous difference between consulting the people on bridge construction and how they are governed.

As someone who lives in an English-speaking Commonwealth country whose economy has to live with hostile trade practices from the EU I say hooray to this. The opportunity to live and work in the UK was always an important opportunity (and a source of returning expertise) but until 2016 the door was being slowly but inexorably closed.

Your replies remind me of a quote from Napoleon.

The British are indeed a "nation of shop-keepers" in the aggregate sense.

Mediocrity incarnate at this point in time.

I have yet to see even a modicum of higher intellectual ability among the masses over here.

What a sad state of affairs from a country with world class Universities like Oxford and Cambridge.

I met truly exceptional people at those institutions, but my lord, what a difference between them and the average Brit.

Now we finally have the truth

Your "reasons" are basically Bullshit

hahahahaha

Its just self-interest. What a joke.

It is deeply ironic that people on the progressive left argue for this and claim it is a sign of their greater internationalism and non-racism.

When really it is probably about the most clear example of exploitative global capitalism that favours westerners over people from "over-there" (who would be described as "black and brown" by many said progressives.)

That's really interesting. I am also in a Commonwealth country, and feel similarly in terms of my own relative position.

Not that I think the UK should base their immigration policy on what is best for me. But it is weird to hear people complain about their basic rights to work in the EU being compromised when none seem to care at all about those of us in the Commonwealth who at one time had the right to come and live and work or study in the UK.

I've wondered if this is because they've just assumed that anyone from such a place must really hate the Empire and the monarchy and would rather give them a kick in the teeth than come to live there? Or maybe they just see us as provincial hicks and would rather hobnob with European sophisticates?

I have a teenage daughter who is desperate to study in the UK but as an international applicant it's going to take a lot of luck for her to manage to afford it.