That this looks like a stunt to undermine trans issues

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Article in the Daily Mail, not sure if I should link to it…

A Canadian teacher in transition to female is pictured with enormous prosthetic breasts which they wear as part of their gender identity. When I saw the article I thought it must be a stunt against transgender people and trying to ridicule men transitioning to female. If they actually want to dress that way then to me, it looks like they are fetishising rather than genuinely transgender.

I am usually all for dressing how ever you want but it just looks so inappropriate, AIBU?

Good question. And I don’t pretend to have the answers, as I said in my first post.

What I find completely unacceptable is lumping all transwomen in the same box.

Transwomen who deserve respect and dignity do exist. Why is that idea so outrageous?

No one's saying they don't deserve dignity or respect.

They're saying male bodies don't belong in female sex specific spaces.

@robin5810 how dare you misgender this stunning and brave woman. Transwomen are women you know, we must have total acceptance without exception and there can be no debate about it.

I'm glad that you have spotted the transphobia in this thread and trust that you will be withdrawing your utterly hateful and transphobic post.

Good question. And I don’t pretend to have the answers, as I said in my first post.

Stonewall who are apparently the gospel on all things trans has some interesting takes on who is trans and who isn't and cross dressers are most definitely under the Trans Umbrella.

Exactly

And I don’t pretend to have the answers

Well someone's going to have to come up with those answers if we're going to allow some TW into woman's spaces and not others. As it stands it's a free for all. So who do you suggest makes that call and based on what?

“Non binary ppl are valid”

so what is this binary that the rest of us are then? because I’ve never seen it as anything other than sexist stereotypes

Come on. There’s quite a bit of hate on here.

At no point have I suggested that I agree with any of these awful things. All I’ve done is suggest that not all transwomen are dangerous sexual fetishists. And look at all the lovely replies I got.

With self-ID, how do you make sure that the only people accessing women's spaces (say a communal changing area) are genuine transpeople and not someone with autogynaephiliac tendencies?

What system would you put in place to differentiate them?

What does non-binary people are valid actually mean? It's not based in reason so can't mean that and there is no legal recognition of non-binary so it obviously doesn't mean that either. What does it mean?

It means there are, and always have been, people who haven’t perfectly slotted into societal expectations :)

You’re putting me solely in charge of that decision?

This is complex and has many layers. I hope that there will be a solution that safeguards everyone.

You don’t have to choose between the rights of women, children and transwomen.

Unless you lump all transwomen in the same box as dangerous perverts. In which case, of course, transwomen’s rights will get eroded because nobody is advocating for the rights of dangerous perverts.

Who said ALL trans women are dangerous sexual fetishists?

You don’t want womens spaces eroded - that’s commonly called Transphobic hate speech. Or do you include trans women in the group who should be able to use womens spaces. In which case you do agree with eroding womens spaces. Because you can’t change sex.

You are aware there’s no distinction between ‘genuine trans women’ and Men who dress as women for sexual kicks. If the latter say they are women and you think there’s a difference - this is commonly called transphobic hate speech.

Can you direct us to where there is actual hate speech directed at all trans women, on this thread?

Trans women are women, but he is not a trans woman. He is very clearly mocking trans women, and using Canadian law to be an idiot.

The gender binary is the societal construct of being a man or being a woman. Of course, being female or male is a biological matter, but I’m talking about gender, the identity people attach to themselves to feel more comfortable. Some people, including me, feel they are neither a man or a woman and prefer to identify outside that, or as something in between.

We get it; he can dress how he likes and make us accept it because it's his expression of himself as a woman.
I wonder if he is half mocking how liberal Canada has become.

Well yes exactly.

How do you keep people safe?

I’m simply phrasing the question as:

How do you safeguard against dangerous sexual predators in a way that doesn’t deny transwomen their human rights.

because nobody is advocating for the rights of dangerous perverts.

Yet that is an inevitable outcome and consequence of Self ID and Trans Women Are Women. Self ID and Trans Women Are Women covers the dangerous perverts too. No way around that.

So while it may feel distasteful to some who adhere to Self ID and Trans Women Are Women, that is exactly what they are advocating for.

He can’t make me accept it. And respecting transwomen does not mean accepting this behaviour. They are two separate things.

And you are the arbiter of that?

It means there are, and always have been, people who haven’t perfectly slotted into societal expectations

So a non-binary is a person that doesn't fit the expectations of society perfectly? Has there ever been a person that fits perfectly? Everyone that ever existed is non binary if that's the definition.

No one's saying they don't deserve dignity or respect.
They're saying male bodies don't belong in female sex specific spaces.
Come on. There’s quite a bit of hate on here.

again - pls give examples of the "hate". Is this supposed to be an example of the "hate"? Try harder.

If Stonewall is basically, bottom line, saying that anyone who says they're a woman, is a woman, how is anyone supposed to know who the bullshitters are?
lso not afraid to speak up. But it is a "thing" that literally never crosses my path.

But the more i read about the "literal violence" of some words, when women have been sent threats of death, rape and worse since the dawn of time and nobody is prepared to call it anything other than "banter" or "not credible" i can't be arsed with it. And if this is a stunt? We may never know due to the way things work in Canada. But it isn't this wo/man undermining trans issues. The TRAs have managed that all by themselves. And now there can never be a proper discussion and way forward. It must be either or. That's also on the TRAs.

By keeping single sex spaces as single sex. How is that taking anything from transwomen. You can not change sex. So they shouldn’t be in single sex spaces for women.

Why do you think you don’t have to have a fix for ensuring women are safe? Or a fix to ensure genuine trans women are able to be separated from sexual deviants.

But you think WE have to come up with a. Solution that make trans women happy?

What human rights are transwomen having denied?

Have you seen the pictures?

Trans women are women, but he is not a trans woman. He is very clearly mocking trans women, and using Canadian law to be an idiot

how do you know?