That this looks like a stunt to undermine trans issues

[TempName01]

Article in the Daily Mail, not sure if I should link to it…

A Canadian teacher in transition to female is pictured with enormous prosthetic breasts which they wear as part of their gender identity. When I saw the article I thought it must be a stunt against transgender people and trying to ridicule men transitioning to female. If they actually want to dress that way then to me, it looks like they are fetishising rather than genuinely transgender.

I am usually all for dressing how ever you want but it just looks so inappropriate, AIBU?

You can't just simply "be" a man, you either have a Y chromosome or you don't.

”for the record- assuming you’re in a relationship or have children, then your love for them is also a feeling in your head”

Well yes, but having that particular feeling doesn’t relate to making demands to be in places where you were previously not allowed to be. The problem is not the feeling, it’s the demands that are being made in the name of that feeling.

Additionally up until very recently, and indeed for any other example than sex, having a feeling in your head telling you that you were something that you verifiably were not, was considered to be a mental illness. The psychiatric profession had strict recommendations never to falsely affirm something was true when it blatantly wasn’t.

This supposed exception to that rule has cropped up in medicine, without significant evidence that this really is an exception (rather than a massive error on the part of the medical profession, on a par with lobotomy) and only time will tell whether this massive experiment proves to be a success or is relegated to medical history as another disaster, where multiple vulnerable patients were irreversibly damaged.

I love my children. Can I demand I get to sit in the classroom every day with them? Am I allowed to become a pupil at the school because I really really love them and feel like I belong there?

@robin5810

"robin5810 · Today 20:24

It’s because that person is NOT trans. Trans women do their best to pass as cis women."

Danielle Muscato would call you transphobic bigot for that comment

But what this whole thing is about is NOT gender, a societal construct though is it?

If it were, then there would be no push to force the GENDER construct into SEX based spaces and discussions.

It is about purposefully conflating gender with sex, and then using that to force intrusion into sex based spaces.

Tut tut robin it's 2022 and transwomen don't owe you femininity, bigot.

This is what self ID means, the clue is in the name but you seem to be having trouble understanding that a male with comedy prosthetics breasts is a woman if they say so.

I have said this before but if you are getting prosthetic boobs - why get droopy ones? It doesn’t make sense? I don’t really know the story of this person but at first glance I also suspect a stunt.

Because maybe not all women aspire to have champagne glass perky boobs. Some women, maybe even this one, may want to have large saggy boobs. Not up to any of us to judge what a woman does or does not want to conform to.

Yes it is a deliberate stunt, he is seeing how far he can push them before they dismiss him so he can then sue. The guys spoken out about anti trans before he started this.

If someone told you you had to be a man and act like a man then wouldn’t it feel wrong? Wouldn’t you feel out of place?

How does that even work ? I can't be a man because I'm a woman . Would acting like one change that ?

I'm biologically a woman . This means my skeleton is different to a man's , my pelvis is wider , my hormones are different, My body shape is determined by my sex which is biological and can t be "changed" to suit how I'm feeling .

Ergo - a man is a man . They're taller , stronger, body fat is carried differently, their skeletal frame is different, their hormones are different, they are male . "Feeling" like a woman doesn't make them change sex either .

Some men are very effeminate- they still have a penis and can grow a beard .

And why - why now are more and more men saying they "feel" like a woman ? It used to be a tiny minority who were rigorously psychologically tested to under surgical transition- why are more and more men happy to say they are women but never go through with surgery to remove their penis or do y rely on massive huge fake breasts ?

I wonder if some men have just figured out that by wearing a dress they can then demand access to woman's changing rooms , and communal areas ? Could it be ? 🤔.

All I’ve done is suggest that not all transwomen are dangerous sexual fetishists

I must have missed something, who said they were?

Oh and at what age are we allowing this from ?

What if a 14 year old student of that teacher decides THEY are actually a female and decided that they should be changing with the 14 year old girls for swimming and PE ? Do we say ok ?

I can't think of many of my friends at 14 who would have been happy with that except for perhaps a hormone riddled teenage boy .....?

@Sunnyqueen

Come on then, let's see the proof of that.

The only thing I've seen is a screenshot of a post that says he's faking on 4chan so I'm interested in what I've missed.

It means there are, and always have been, people who haven’t perfectly slotted into societal expectations

So here's a great idea, let's get rid of the bullshit, sexist, sex role stereotypes and expectations and stop pretending that appearance or dress sense makes the slightest bit of difference to, or alters, a person's sex.

I don't slot perfectly into societal expectations. I don't pretend it means I'm not a woman though. Instead I fight sexist bullshit and that includes the appropriation of my sex by male people who want everyone else to pretend being a woman is nothing more than clothes and a special feeling that they can have too.

It's the very definition of female sex based oppression, that a group of males have simply decided that our very sex class must be redefined without question so they can pretend it includes them.

There is only male or female.
Transwomen are male.

'Woman' is simply the word for an adult human female, like 'hen' is a female chicken and 'mare' is a female horse.
The only people who need 'woman' to mean a set of sexist, sex role stereotypes, are males who wish to insert themselves into a category they don't belong in by divorcing the word woman from any biological meaning of anything solely female.

If 'gender' isn't sex, and 'gender identity' is some unprovable, entirely subjective feeling only a tiny % claim to have, why do we suddenly need to remove sex segregated spaces and female protections, in order to accommodate male people who claim to have a gender identity?

The male sex class commit 98% of all sex offences, regardless of any identity, and is one of the main reasons why we have sex segregated spaces in the first place.

You cannot have a rule that allows 'some' men into women only spaces.
It's all or nothing. Especially as 'trans' is now nothing but someone's say so.

The teacher in the op is simply showing the world the absolute absurdity of gender identity ideology and how ridiculous the laws in some countries are that give a certain group of people permission to behave with impunity and have their 'feelings' placed over and above the safety privacy and dignity of females, and the safeguarding of children.

@robin5810

So let's forget this individual for a minute.

Do you believe Karen White is a woman ?

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

This person is legally a man, yet was put in a women's prison where he went on to sexually assault women he was incarcerated with?

Do you believe Sally Ann is a woman -

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shame-of-sussex-police

This person is legally a man, he is a paedophile and a child rapist and has been housed in a women's prison with a baby unit.

Both of these individuals have taken advantage of SELF ID which is not actually even law here yet to get access to women's prisons.

See the problem yet?

Of course not all trans women are sexual fetishists or deviants. Debbie Hayton, author of the second article, IS a trans woman who also believes that women have the right to single sex spaces.

My question is why do you believe it is a human right for people to get access to spaces reserved for the opposite sex based on their feelings?

My next question is who stands to gain?

It actually doesn't matter whether he genuinely believes he's trans or not. Once the magic words 'I identify as a woman' are uttered, the only acceptable response from others is 'Good for you!' regardless of how credible or otherwise the transition is. Gatekeeping is actual violence, and far worse than any problems that might result from applying normal standards of critical thinking and safeguarding. If a sex offender does exploit this obvious loophole to attack a vulnerable person, the victim can report it to the police and that will make everything OK, after all?

But, however you feel, and however you prefer to identify (whatever that might be), you are, as an adult human being, either a man or a woman, just as any sheep is either a ram or a ewe, any waterfowl of species Anas platyrhynchos is a drake or a duck, and so on. Humans, like sheep and so on, are sexually dimorphic. That's what 'man' and 'woman' mean.

If you are human, you can't be neither a man nor a woman. Nor can you be both. If you're a man you can't become a woman; if you're a woman, you can't become a man.

I know some people find this tough. I find that a bit strange. But, well, them's the breaks.

I don't hate you, by the way. (I don't know you well enough, for one thing.) I do feel a bit sorry for you. And I wouldn't be writing this if other people hadn't started hurting children on account of something like the same mistake you are making about your status as a sexually dimorphic mammal. Still, though, it does seem to me the truth is important.

How do you safeguard against dangerous sexual predators in a way that doesn’t deny transwomen their human rights.

What rights are being denied to transwomen @amoobaa ? Come on spit it out, it's a question asked numerous times you clearly know the answer so let's have it.

It’s because that person is NOT trans. Trans women do their best to pass as cis women.

There is not such thing as a 'cis' woman or 'cis' man there are just women and men as neither are a sub set of their own sex class.

Being transgender is not a personality trait, and for the record- assuming you’re in a relationship or have children, then your love for them is also a feeling in your head and in the grand scheme of things, means nothing.

So the feeling in a man's head that he is really a woman means nothing either then, good glad to have that cleared up.

@amoobaa and @robin5810 what knots you are tying yourselves up in trying parroting your mantras. This from @SantaCarlaCalifornia is spot on:

So yes, that is a transwoman. There is no difference at all. You wanted this, you were warned and no doubt called people names. This is what people on MN have been warning about for years.

Yes, the warnings of what TWAW meant and where acceptance without exception and no debate would lead were warned about repeatedly and the women who did so were called transphobic, had their livelihoods threatened, received rape and death threats but still they warned and no doubt you @robin5810 and @amoobaa joined in.

The idea that this is a stunt comes from a post on 4chan from what I remember. It may be true, or it may not, but materially there's no difference. If someone says they are a woman then they are according to people like you. There is no test to pass and you know it.

Be proud, pat yourselves on the backs @amoobaa and @robin5810 this is what you support, this is what you wanted, well done you.

The definition of a woman, according to the TRAs is anyone who identifies as one.

This guy fits the brief. According to the rules set out by the TRAs themselves, he is one. TWAW, no debate, etc.

His motives are not relevant. He says he is, therefore he is. This is what anyone who championed self ID / TWAW campaigned for. No use washing your hands of him now. You were warned.

Quite TheKeatingFive and for those who championed self-id, insisted that TWAW, that TW were the most oppressed people ever, ever in the whole wide world and everyone needed to be kind, called other women transphobic or the 'T' slur, accused them of hate to now say I will never accept that this man is a TW, ergo a woman in their belief system is a bit fucking rich to say the least. Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive and hoists and petards spring to mind. The pretzel twisting being employed is grimly fascinating.

vestofabsurdity

I'm glad you're here . X

Yeah. As a fetishist.

If anyone - make or female came to my child's school dressed like that I'd be querying mental health issues .

And my kids wouldn't be there .

And what exactly are trans issues ?

Someone explain to me what those issues are .

Exactly this.