That this looks like a stunt to undermine trans issues

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Article in the Daily Mail, not sure if I should link to it…

A Canadian teacher in transition to female is pictured with enormous prosthetic breasts which they wear as part of their gender identity. When I saw the article I thought it must be a stunt against transgender people and trying to ridicule men transitioning to female. If they actually want to dress that way then to me, it looks like they are fetishising rather than genuinely transgender.

I am usually all for dressing how ever you want but it just looks so inappropriate, AIBU?

So true but could that be somewhat down to socialisation?

That’s not the point that people are missing kids and young adults had already been pulled into it. There’s no fighting it AND keeping young people out it.

Especially, since kids need young people are being groomed into the ideology.

Not everything is 'socialisation'. Very few differences between men and women is down to 'socialisation'. It's also not even a proved scientific hypothesis. It's nothing but a theory.

Its total fetishisation of trans people

Where has this narrative come from that he’s doing it to make a political point? Has he said that?
Either way, under Canadian law, if he says he’s a woman, he’s a woman, so it still undermines us.

No, it’s fetishisation of women FFS 🙄

the transphobia on this thread is appalling. obviously that man is being a total idiot, he’s ridiculing women, both trans and cis, and that’s absolutely wrong. but on a seperate note, trans people are real and valid, as are nonbinary people and gay people and it’s blatantly ignorant to not acknowledge that.

However, I’m wondering if there is any space for the acknowledgment that there are a lot of people who identify as trans and have done nothing wrong and have no intention of hurting anyone. If anything they are the ones being treated badly by society.

I agree @amoobaa . The vast majority of trans people just want to get on with their lives.

Every mild criticism of awful behaviour by a transwoman is prefaced by a 2000-word essay of disclaimers: 'not all trans, trans is valid, trans are so discriminated against' and so on. They've become a sacred caste against whom not one word can be said no matter what. No other group enjoys this privilege. And we still get ridiculous posts like that of Startagain51 and robin5810 with baseless, fantastical accusations of hatred, chastising women for 'transphobia' and smearing us as the C word. The teacher's actions are appalling and I for one will not be shamed out of morality.

At the risk of being deleted:
For me one of the clearest reasons that TW are not W and TM are not M is childhood. There is a kindly(?) ignorance in the TWAW, TMAM stance. As kind as people think they are being, being Trans is not the same as being biological sex.

The experiences and challenges in childhood and beyond are so different that they are not comparable.

MN is known for being very offensive to trans people.

i see this a lot - but nobody is apparently able to show this. Because MN doesn't allow it. This claim without proof is absolutely goady as much as it is batshit.

I hadn't realised that this teacher is trying to highlight the absurdity of Canadian law. Clever.

When I rule the world, there will be a tax on the word 'hate' when used to mean mild irritation or sarcasm; well-founded annoyance or disapproval with the actions of an individual or group; dislike of/disagreement with an ideology; etc etc. The revenues will be enormous, at first anyway, and will be used for assorted good causes. Getting children out into the fresh air and away from screens, for example.

Could you explain why this teacher, who is being their authentic self, is ridiculing anyone? Are you implying they are not genuinely trans? How can you tell? You also seem to have misgendered them. Is that not very transphobic of you?

but on a seperate note, trans people are real and valid, as are nonbinary people and gay people

Gotta love a meaningless, nonsensical mantra chant. Top marks.

OK. We cannot but agree. So, fine, "Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security."

Should we, though, ...
... "force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?"
... "tell children lies about changing sex?"
... "allow male sex offenders in women's prisons?"
... "organise breast binders for children behind their parents' back?"
... and so on and so forth.

-- Should we allow all this while "getting on with our lives", no matter what we call ourselves (sc. "identify as")?

Or is agitating against such wrongs to be counted as dog-whistle phobia and discrimination against those "getting on with" their lives?

The irony is that in their rush to signal just how supportive they are of trans people and trans rights, they created the legislative and social environment that allows for this.

And to take this one step further, by their own declarations and rules, all Donald Trump would have had to do was declare that he was a woman and he would have become the first woman president of the USA. Not necessarily in the strictest legal sense as the law in Canada, however in a number of states and many more municipalities, they would have had no choice to acknowledge Trump as the first woman president.

And if they did not acknowledge it, or even deny and argue against that, then they have declared themselves the arbiter of who really is and really isn't trans which is directly contrary to trans women are women.

This is a text book example of Reducto ad Absurdum.

Whether it is a stunt is irrelevant.

THIS IS WHERE SELF ID LEADS us, along with:

Women imprisoned with male rapists and paedophiles
Males winning women's sporting titles.
Lesbians being told to accept penises in their dating pools

The list goes on...

This

Also why are womens needs and safeguarding always second to the whims of a tiny minority - a tiny minority who also happen to be over represented in the UK prison system for sexual offences? I mean really, this is where self ID takes you.

Also, I'm fed up of the conflation with gay rights - gay people were just asking for equal rights dignity and respect. The trans movement demands extra special rights, not least compelling others to lie and the removal of rights from women.

No, thank you.

See this is my point entirely.

I’m not defending the erosion of women or women’s rights. That would make me a piece of shit. I’m not agreeing with men invading women’s spaces, again that would be really shitty. And I’m certainly not condoning the prosthetics breasts this person is wearing. I personally find it offensive.

I’m in agreement with points made about specific incidents or people who are contributing to the above.

What I find completely unacceptable is lumping all transwomen in the same box.

Transwomen who deserve respect and dignity do exist. Why is that idea so outrageous?

But who is the arbiter of who is and who isn't a trans woman?

What I find completely unacceptable is lumping all transwomen in the same box.

Transwomen who deserve respect and dignity do exist. Why is that idea so outrageous?

The transwomen who have my dignity and respect are the ones who recognise the issues with Self ID and the impact of women on the erosion of our rights in their names.

The ones who want to destroy boundaries, not so much.

I’m not defending the erosion of women or women’s rights. That would make me a piece of shit. I’m not agreeing with men invading women’s spaces, again that would be really shitty.

How are you classing transwomen? Which spaces are you advocating they use?

That’s pretty offensive. Being transgender is entirely different to Autogynephilia.

That’s pretty offensive. Being transgender is entirely different to Autogynephilia.

Do enlighten us, please.