If you don't usually work Monday's and now there's an extra bank holiday...

I get time off in lieu. I think it’s fair. Don’t agree at all that it is grabby. It’s a bank holiday and that’s how bank holidays work for PT people who don’t work on that day.

However if you are part time and don’t work on bank holidays you won’t get anything extra in lieu - reason being is that the day off is to observe the funeral / day or mourning

how is that fair? The day off is a bank holiday and your employees can do what they want - nobody has to mourn or watch the funeral. I would lodge a grievance if you didn’t give me a pro rata day in lieu so I benefit from an extra day off too

We're getting the extra day added to our annual leave allowance.

My business is giving it back to those who do not work Mondays and those who have to work it for business needs. It's a bank holiday. It is written into our contract we get them. We didn't have to ask they communicated it out swiftly today. I worry about employer law so much sometimes. It's not grabby if you are legally entitled! I don't work Fridays so get all bank holiday Fridays back as holiday.

If you are going to work part time don’t work a Monday!!!

^^why not?
I haven't worked a Monday in ten years. We have a proper HR dept who works out my AL so I'm not disadvantaged. Worked really well when dc were in nursery. If they were in nursery on a Monday then I'd have to pay for them on bank holidays even though they're not there.

I work in a college. Monday is my usual day off. I asked HR if I get another day off or pay and was dismissed with ‘ it’s not a usual bank holiday ‘ so basically be patriotic and don’t worry if everyone else is being paid for a days work and you’re not. I am a bit annoyed to say the least.

Yes I have the same issue. So annoyed and so unfair

It’s a bank holiday but there is no legal right to the day off - contracts differ but if it’s holiday allowance plus 8 for bank hols there is no legal right to get any extra time off - it’s discretionary so a grievance won’t get you very far. The main thing is that everyone who wants to observe the day of mourning can - it’s not a day off to have a jolly at a later date

Whether you are entitled or not depends on the wording of your contract.

Most contracts refer to the number of Bank Holidays or nominated Bank Holidays. In the majority of contracts additional Bank Holidays such as the Jubilee and next Monday are discretionary and it is entirely up to your employer to agree to grant them as paid or unpaid.

Ohlkii

must fall under the The Part-time Workers (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations? - so would be unfair to discriminate against part time workers.
I am a repbulican, and quite disinterested in the whole affiar - but wven I think calling it a Bank Holiday is a bit weird.

Employers cannot treat PT employees less favourably than FT employees. So if FT employees are getting an extra day's BH leave then PT employees should get extra leave too. It doesn't matter whether you normally work on that day or not.

This reminds me of when our office used to close early on Christmas Eve. It was never guaranteed but it usually happened although the time would vary.
However, it was common knowledge that if you want to guarantee it off, you needed to book AL.
Most people were fine with this and understood it was a gamble to not book the leave and they saw it as a treat for those few who offered to stay on the shift no-one wanted to do. However, when the office closed at 2, one year,
there was uproar from one person who had booked the leave. She whinged about it "not being fair" and insisted she got the hours back that she had booked leave for.

As a result they just stopped closing early.

If you don't work a Monday but your workplace is usually open, you should get the extra day / part day (depending what FTE you are) to use some other time. Same as any other Bank Holiday.

I'm full time but compressed hours so I get a whole day added to my entitlement.

Oh ffs, it's ONE day!

Check your work contract and see where you stand and move on with it. So much entitled to baffle. Some people aren't even getting to take it off work at all!

The problem with BH can be if you work part time you can end up owing hours.

Annual leave can be split into hours/half days whatever but BH are a whole full time day so if you work part-time including a Monday in this case depending on your contract you have to take the whole full time day which is then more than the hours you work for that day. It’s been a problem in the NHS for years, it’s even worse because if you are part time and don’t work a BH day you end up entitled to the pro rata amount of hours you would have had, had the BH been a working day ( part time workers can’t lose/be disadvantaged by not getting BH if it’s a non-working day) lesson is don’t work a Monday if you are part time.

Bank holidays are a statutory right. God, the people of this country (unless it's just MN) get weirder and weirder every day with this competitive austerity thing

If Bank Holidays are in addition to your leave, if you don’t work a Monday you are entitled to extra time. I get extra days off as I don’t work Mondays. I will be entitled to extra time for this bank holiday, but it seems a bit wrong to ask for it!

But special bank holidays aren’t - you have a right to your contacted holiday which is minimum 20 days plus 8 standard bank holidays. Anything additional isn’t statutory. Not to say I don’t think people should get extra time off for the jubilee or funeral but it’s not statutory

@GreenLunchBox you are totally right BH are something people are entitled to it’s just some people I work with are having to take a totally unplanned day off that they will then have to factor into their leave hours. I think it should have been a day off on Monday if people wanted or an additional “day” leave to be used when staff wanted.

My employer is giving all staff who normally work on Monday a paid day off and it’s not coming out of our holiday allowance but no extra time off for staff who aren’t contracted Monday’s.
They did the same with the jubilee bank holiday on the Friday.

You are only "contractually entitled" to bank holidays if your contract actually says you will get bank holidays off and specifies which bank holidays. There is no automatic legal entitlement to time off work on a bank holiday. Schools, businesses, government offices and the Courts will close for the day, but there is no parallel over-arching legal obligation on employers to allow employees a holiday.

To be "contractually entitled" your employment contract would have to say something like, Christmas Day, Boxing Day , May Bank Holiday etc, and any other day which may from time to time be declared to be a bank holiday.

i very much doubt it says that.

To be "contractually entitled" your employment contract would have to say something like, Christmas Day, Boxing Day , May Bank Holiday etc, and any other day which may from time to time be declared to be a bank holiday.

I don’t think it would need to be that specific. Just ‘all public bank holidays’ would cover it. If anything, employers would need to be more specific to NOT give extra bank holidays - e.g. ‘28 days annual leave plus 8 bank holiday days’.

At any rate, I don’t work Mondays. I am getting it pro rata back. I do not think there is anything grabby at all to be treated equally to my colleagues (especially as I work in public services).

I think those who are arguing about the wording of contracts have completely missed the point- if an employer is giving full time staff the Monday off when they would normally work, then they need to treat part time staff fairly and pro-rata leave. If it isn't observed by a workplace as an extra days leave because contractually staff aren't entitled then that's fine, but you can't say it is for some but not for others because they happen to have a different working pattern! It needs to be pro-rata'ed!

I've never seen an employment contract which said "all bank holidays". They specify which or a number.