If you don't usually work Monday's and now there's an extra bank holiday...

This is not the case for many people. Many employers pro-rata bank holidays for part timers so staff who work on a Monday but, for example work 2.5 days a week, will have a day off but only be credited half a day and will lose half a day annual leave or have to make up hours elsewhere.

Same here (not local government) but our work always pro-rata bank holidays so all staff are treated equally.

But that's how all bank holidays work (some you have to take that specific day off, some you get the hours back), so this one should be the same.

Otherwise the person who doesn't work Mondays is working more for the same amount of money.

The point is you get credited half a day so you are still getting paid the same as staff who normally work Mondays. If you are part time it will be pro rata. When I'm saying full pay I don't mean full time pay I mean your full hourly rate. Your example is exactly right, you work half the time and get a half day paid back, if you want a full day off then you need to make it up with a half a days annual leave. It is unfortunate if you are part time and work a Monday but the point is you still get paid for Bank Holiday time off.

I work in a client facing role with financial based targets… as a part timer I’ve been told I’ll get the pro rata time but obviously to have a full day I need to top it up unpaid or with my annual leave.

I’m finding this slightly frustrating as I’d prefer to just work than use the additional/unpaid leave but without clients to engage with my performance would be impacted negatively as I wouldn’t be generating fees. That said I can’t really work that day anyway as school and childcare are closed anyway!

As ever it seems to be the women and carers who make up a large proportion of the part time workforce who are negatively impacted despite what is supposed to be a universally equal gesture. Well I’ll just have to do 0.5FTE’s worth of mourning.

I don't work Mondays and I'm not bothered - we have a busy weekend so I'm actually thankful for the extra day with my DH/teenagers at home and means I can watch the funeral whilst DH watches baby 😊

Not grabby at all. I don't work Mondays but as it has been declared a Bank Holiday I will get the day in lieu.

I mean people who work a full day Monday. Sure if you only work half a day five days a week, then you are in the same boat as a full time person. But if you work Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday am, then you have to have a full day off but are only credited with half a day bank holiday and with businesses being closed, working for half a day is not an option.

You are entitled to pro-rated leave even if you don't work a Monday.

It is up to individual employers completely- they do not have to close on Monday and allow the Bank Holiday to their staff, whether they pay it is also up to them and whether they allow a day in lieu for those who don't work on Monday usually is also up to them.

I'm sick of hearing whinging and demanding about it. It shouldn't be a Bank Holiday. Should be a normal work day. Repeat it on TV at night.

Work park time including Mondays - annoyed as I only get 3/5th of the bank holiday allowance but my office is closed so once again I’m forced to use my precious tiny annual leave allowance to cover the rest of the hours to have the forced day off. Happens every bank holiday - most fall on Mondays and I only get 3/5 of the bank hol allowance for the year which doesn’t cover them. My job share gets 2/5th extra to take anytime they choose. If you are going to work part time don’t work a Monday!!!

Could anyone advise on whether excluding bank holidays in your allowance actually means "exclude them and you get them on top"? Everyone who works full time /works Mondays gets bank holidays off.

I'm four days a week, don't work mondays. Started part way through the year. Contract says full years entitlement is 28 days excluding bank holidays. So I get something like 17 days pro rata.

Today comes an email to all staff (inc me) saying Monday is a formal day off and our HR app will be updated.

So I go and check my total allowance and they haven't allocated me any Monday bank holidays since I've started. I didn't work the Thurs and Friday ones but if it says in the contract that leave allowance excludes bank holidays and everyone else gets them.....then I should get them pro rata-d? All advice gratefully accepted!

I agree it's annoying if Monday is a day you work and you are part time so have to make time up but the point is you do still get paid pro rata for not being in work. Plus it is not grabby to expect to have time off and get paid for it on a bank holiday.

Its not complicated! Bank Holidays if the employer adds them on as an extra thing Should be added on as an extra thing for everyone. Ditto if they are taken OUT of your annual leave. In neither case is it fair if this stuff is only allowed to be relevant to the people who happen to be rota’d to work on the bank holiday day..

If you work four days a week your annual leave a year will be 4/5 times 28 so 22.4 days a year. Bank hols should be added on top of that. If a bank holiday such as Christmas day was a day you worked it would be taken off your total, if a bank holiday was a Monday it wouldn't be taken off. I hope that explanation makes sense.

Of course it is fair over a year you get the same leave.

The Working Time Regulations allow employers to specify when employees can take their leave. A lot of employers do this with all BH.

Yes so say 22.4 days annuAl
leave then 4/5 of the bank holidays for the year added on. So 4/5 of 12 or whatever the number is. In my work when you start part way through the year you get that proportion of bank holidays and annual leave - so if leave year started January- Jan and you started 1st of April , there were 12 bank holidays Jan- Jan. you would get 9/12 of the bank hol allowance then pro ratad 4/5. So 4/5 of 9 days so 7.2 days approx.

There are some utterly bizarre comments on here.
Wanting to be treated equally and fairly in accordance with your legal contract is "grabby" fgs grow up.
Contract states I get my annual leave (32 days fte) and Bank Holidays (8 days fte) in hours. I work condensed hrs (just under full time over 4 days) and don't work a Monday. An extra BH has been given, therefore every employee gets it added to their leave. If you work a Monday you need to use the extra allowance for the day off. If you don't then you get the additional hrs because it's in your contract. It's not difficult to understand. You can't just not give some employees the allowance.

I would expect it off in lieu. Everyone else is getting a paid day off. My day off is unpaid. It's not grabby. It's about being fair.

Because she is expecting our employer (small, independent business) to pay her/give her an extra day off in lieu when that is a day we don't open the business anyway?

Because she is expecting our employer (small, independent business) to pay her/give her an extra day off in lieu when that is a day we don't open the business anyway?

YABU - I don’t think it’s grabby at all. My work place were originally not going to close for the funeral. Out of my 5 team members 1 is a hard core royalist and requested a days leave to watch the funeral. The other 4 vocally couldn’t care less and had no interest in watching it. I don’t work Mondays so would be off anyway.

The business then decided to close so that everyone could watch, and this day wouldn’t be taken out of holiday allowance. Why should the rest of the team get an extra days holiday than me, when they have no interest in the funeral and will not be using the day for that purpose. I work as hard (arguable harder!) than them and shouldn’t be penalised for working part time. Luckily my employers aren’t ridiculous and all PT staff are getting time off on lieu, as we should.

If you are going to work part time don’t work a Monday!!!

^ THIS! ^

We have been told this too, and if we need to work because working on international projects we’ve been told we can take the time off in lieu another day.

We’re allowing any part time workers who would normally work on Monday to take the day off with no impact on holiday allowances - i.e we won’t give them an additional pro rata allowance but we also won’t ask them to book it off like any other bank holiday. However if you are part time and don’t work on bank holidays you won’t get anything extra in lieu - reason being is that the day off is to observe the funeral / day or mourning. All staff on hourly contracts will get paid an extra day but not have to work. To me this so all fair - no one is out of pocket or forced to take additional
holiday if they hadn’t wanted too.