If you don't usually work Monday's and now there's an extra bank holiday...

[Dressme2023]

...would you be bothered?
I'm actually not, I'm getting to see the funeral which is the important bit to me.
However many colleagues have the same day off and are now pushing for an extra half day annual leave to make up for it.
It feels a bit unnecessary and grabby to me but I'm in the minority.
Thoughts?

You're being unreasonable - you should get extra leave granted
You're not being unreasonable - everyone should just accept it for what it is and move on

I don’t work Mondays or Fridays and have been given an extra half day’s leave (legally entitled to match those that do work Mondays/full time).

@CurrentHun thank you for sharing those articles which were immensely useful as a 0.8 FTE employee with a NWD on a Monday.

My work has said that Monday is not a statutory bank holiday but a day of mourning and I am not entitled to any adjustment to my annual leave.

However my contracts says X number of days annual leave in addition to all normal English bank and public holidays and it also goes on to state that part time workers gain additional holiday entitlement based on the number of bank holidays missed in each calendar year.

Full time workers have the day off paid and anyone who usually works a Monday and has annual leave booked is being credited their annual leave.

I'm as sure as sure can be that my work is wrong and I am going to escalate it next week. I am contractually entitled to additional leave for the missed bank holiday

@sittingonacornflake

This may also be useful from gov.uk, it has the following FAQ
Is this an official bank holiday, or does it have a special status?
This bank holiday is official and applies in the same way as all others.

If you and your colleague are in the same role and work the same number of hours, then you should expect to get the same number of days leave. I don’t know what you have said upthread as I can’t find it, but on the limited info in this post, it is possible something is not right.

@Princessglittery thank you! That couldn't really be clearer could it. I am 99.9% certain my employer (a law firm I might add!) is wrong. Excellent. I'm going to contact them on Tuesday and hopefully get some time back.

i don’t work Mondays and so get a proportion of all bank holidays based on my contracted hours typically rounded up to the nearest full day

because it would be difficult to just give me and other colleagues who work the same 3 quarters of a day off and also because my employers are decent they’ve just given us the extra day off credited to annual leave .

@Princessglittery thank you but unfortunately I'm no good with figures. Could you put it simply, am I at an advantage working 25 hours a week Wednesday pm, Thursday and Friday with 14 days holiday and 3 days bank holiday entitlement or not? Thanks.

@TroysMammy what are full time weekly hours and full time leave entitlement?

@TroysMammy also how many hours do you work each day?

@Aprilx both work 25 hours a week
Colleague Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday morning 14 days leave, pro rata bank holidays 3. As bank holidays Monday and Tuesday gets those days off as well. Good Friday and Jubilee Bank Holidays rostered off not paid. Therefore in total this year 21 days off paid.
Me Wednesday pm, Thursday, Friday. 14 days leave, pro rata bank holidays 3 days taken Good Friday, Jubilee Bank Holiday. Other Bank Holidays rostered off but not paid. Therefore in total this year 17 days off paid.

This has been the case for a couple of years when I switched my part time working pattern from 5 mornings to 2 1/2 days. No contract given with regard to the switch.

@TroysMammy so full time is 50 hours a week I.e. 10 hours a day x 5.

You work 5 hours on a Wednesday and 10 hours on Thursday & Friday.

Do full time staff get 28 days holiday plus 8 Bank Holidays?

Your choice of working days doesn't matter. As I said, you need to check if BH's are added to your leave pro rata. That's how you get "paid" for them if you're not actually working on the specific days.

No, definitely I wouldn't ask for time off in lieu (I work a half day on Monday but even if it was my full day off I wouldn't).
In this instance it is a day off to watch the funeral and reflect if you wish to - you have that opportunity whether you are paid or not.

I think to get better clarity in your own mind you need to look at it slightly differently.

So first step, consider bank holidays and leave all in one leave pot. You are entitled to 50% of what a full time worker in the same role receives. So if they receive, let’s say 24 days plus 8 bank holidays, that is a pot of 32 days and it means you are entitled to 16 days, as is your colleague that works 50% same as you.

As a second step, now bring the bank holidays into it. Employers are allowed to tell staff when they can take their leave. So for the full time workers they are saying, you need to use up 8 days of your 32 day leave pot on the bank holidays.

For the part time workers, the employer can also tell them to use up some of the leave pot on bank holidays. So a PT worker that works Mon - Wed needs to use up some of their 16 days of leave (per my example) on bank holidays same as the full time workers do. A PT that does not work on Mondays does not need to allocate their leave to BHs because they don’t work that day anyway. So that person ends up with more freedom as to when to use their leave, but still gets the exact amount of leave as somebody that works Mondays.

I am a part time worker too, 60% and I don’t work Mondays. My leave entitlement for next year is 20 days (calculated as 60% of 25+8BHs). Only one of my working days next year falls on a bank holiday, Good Friday, so I have to use one of my 20 days for that and the other 19 I get to choose. On another year, I might only get to pick and choose say, 16 days because more bank holidays fall on my working days. That is why it needs to be worked out via the two step approach above, rather than as a %.

Whatever the reason for it it's an official bank holiday and must be treated as such as had been explained over and over again. It makes no difference AT ALL if people watch the funeral / paint their house / watch Netflix all day, everyone is entitled to be treated the same re BH leave / pay!!!

Some ideas if people need them...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/17/the-queens-funeral-five-other-ways-to-spend-the-bank-holiday?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

I think it's grabby when the point of the day is to enable people to watch the funeral if they wish. If you're not working anyway, there's no need for you to have additional time off.

@roarfeckingroarr nothing grabby about wanting your legal rights to be upheld.

@jacostajune not what I meant. If it's your legal entitlement then sure. In principle, I don't see why anyone who isn't at work should have an extra day off for what isn't a standard BH but a day given for a specific purpose

It is a standard BH.

If people want to argue that it should be treated differently to other bank holidays, that's fine, but that means arguing that it shouldn't have been a bank holiday at all.

It is a standard bank holiday. The .gov.uk website makes it clear that it should be treated like every other BH. It's very clear.

@roarfeckingroarr how would you feel if your employer said to all staff - if Monday is your normal working day we will pay you a one of bonus of £150, if it is your non-working day you will get £0. Is it grabby for those whose non-working day is a Monday to ask for the same?

@roarfeckingroarr how many people do you think are actually going to use it to watch the funeral? Quite rightly nobody can be made to, hence it has to be a statutory bank holiday.

I know not all my colleagues who work Monday-Friday will be watching.

I don't work Mondays so I have all Monday bhols added to my leave as they are paid days off. I am actually working this one so will get an extra day in lieu

@Princessglittery no full timer 5 days a week, 40 hours gets 20 days holiday and 8 days Bank Holiday a year. I've told her with her length of service what she could get but she's not bothered!. Other part timer works every morning, 26 1/4 hours a week also gets 20 days and 8 days Bank Holiday. I don't know who they used for HR but it must have been a Mickey Mouse company. I think new Manager is going to do things differently next year but there will be no recompense. So what's done is done.