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Is this rude of DD’s violin teacher?

344 replies

Mrspeanuts · 10/09/2022 15:31

DD (8) started violin lessons in school with her teacher who works for the local music service. She kindly sends regular updates on WhatsApp about progress and homework etc.

DD took her violin in to school on Wednesday this week (the day of her lesson) and the teacher wasn’t there. I sent an email via the music service asking why there was no lessons. I got what I thought was a rude response saying something along the lines of why would you think there was a lesson? Music tuition always starts back the second week in? I responded with ‘well I didn’t know that’ and the response was ‘well you do have my phone number, maybe should have checked first?’

she has since told me she won’t be posting any more updates on WhatsApp and any further correspondence from her will be via email through the music service.

have I upset her? I’m not sure if I’ve done anything wrong?

OP posts:
PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 10/09/2022 16:16

Your email was rude. Like you were talking to a servant rather than a fellow person. Your comment about being a 'paying customer' here is quite revealing too. I bet you click your fingers at waiters as well.

blackcatnight · 10/09/2022 16:16

Libertyqueen · 10/09/2022 15:57

That’s really, really, really rude.

Are you British? I only ask because these things are cultural. But yes, it’s absolutely no wonder she replied as she did. She was completely professional.
You don’t have a leg to stand on I’m afraid.

Your only way forward is a total and fulsome apology such as “Dear Miss, I’m so sorry for my last message. I realise it must have come across as very rude. Please accept my apologies”.

As Libertyqueen asked, are you British?

I work with people from various countries, and your style of communication to the music teacher might be perfectly acceptable in parts of, say, Eastern Europe where people are more blunt.

Don’t use exclamation marks or uppercase letters in adult communication, OP. It looks childish and rude. You will come across as more professional by avoiding these things.

Also, try phrasing messages as a question, leaving room to interpret that you know you may not have all the information. And add a thank you.

Ashard20 · 10/09/2022 16:16

She has gone the extra mile by communicating with you via Whatsapp. If, as I understand it, the lessons are in school time, I would suggest that the normal route for a query would be via the school, who will know when the lessons are to be delivered. On average , it is usually ten per term.
Your statement infers that the violin tutor is at fault in some way. She has opened up an informal method of communication to enhance your daughter's experience and got a snotty message for her troubles.
You're precisely the reason why many teachers won't communicate with parents via emails/whatsapp.

blackcatnight · 10/09/2022 16:17

blackcatnight · 10/09/2022 16:16

As Libertyqueen asked, are you British?

I work with people from various countries, and your style of communication to the music teacher might be perfectly acceptable in parts of, say, Eastern Europe where people are more blunt.

Don’t use exclamation marks or uppercase letters in adult communication, OP. It looks childish and rude. You will come across as more professional by avoiding these things.

Also, try phrasing messages as a question, leaving room to interpret that you know you may not have all the information. And add a thank you.

To clarify, when I said don’t use exclamation marks or uppercase letters in adult communication, I meant messages composed all in uppercase, not uppercase at the start of sentences, of course.

Sparklfairy · 10/09/2022 16:17

She sounds really defensive to me

Defense is a natural response to aggression. You were so unprofessional and rude.

arethereanyleftatall · 10/09/2022 16:19

WRT 'surely you should always be polite ti paying customers' - one thing I absolutely love about having my own business and a full to bursting waiting list - is - no, not if they're rude to me. I have a banned list mostly based on the way the parents speak to me, mostly my response to these parents is 'sorry, I'm fully booked' regardless of whether I am or not.

Wheresmymoneytree · 10/09/2022 16:20

Mrspeanuts · 10/09/2022 15:45

But surely it’s unprofessional to be anything other than polite and courteous to paying customers?

But you don’t need to be polite or courteous to her because??

Redburnett · 10/09/2022 16:20

Don't worry, after listening to violin practice for a few more months you will probably be relieved when your DD tells you she wants to give it up!

(Sympathies with the lack of communication though).

Mxyzptlk · 10/09/2022 16:21

Mrspeanuts · 10/09/2022 15:48

I had also said that I was concerned that a couple of lessons had been missed at the end of last term, she was quick to respond with that’s how many weeks were on her schedule and if I am dissatisfied then I should take it up with the music service.

I only wanted a bit of communication! She sounds really defensive to me

So do you have a schedule, or not?
I suggest you do take it up with the music service.

You were rude. Teacher could have been the 'bigger person' but chose not to.
Apologising for your rudeness would be a good idea.

Clarinet1 · 10/09/2022 16:23

I think that there was some rudeness on both sides but, as you
messaged first, it was probably mostly down to you. I would have thought it might have occurred to you that instrumental lesson schedules might not be the same as same as the school term and therefore asked about this in your message. Equally, she could have more gently explained this in her message back to you. I’m also kind of surprised that a music service doesn’t send out a reminder about when lessons start again with other useful information (eg exam entry information, equipment guidelines etc).
Also, as you have already had a spat about missed lessons (which seems to have been a misunderstanding) I’m afraid you are probably “That parent”. Probably some repair work or a change of teacher needed. The

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 10/09/2022 16:27

Bet you’re a private school mum too

Terrible email, then your comment about ‘paying customers’ just takes it to a new low. Find some class.

Thoughtful2355 · 10/09/2022 16:27

You were definitely the rude one Hahahaha

TeachesOfPeaches · 10/09/2022 16:28

Do you not have access to the schedule?

Prescottdanni123 · 10/09/2022 16:29

Oh that old chestnut. Members of staff have to be polite to customers at all times while the customers have the absolute right to talk to them like shit

RoseBucket · 10/09/2022 16:29

You’ve pretty much told her off, without her having made an error

Snowiscold · 10/09/2022 16:30

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 10/09/2022 16:27

Bet you’re a private school mum too

Terrible email, then your comment about ‘paying customers’ just takes it to a new low. Find some class.

No. It’ll be a state primary - because the lessons are through the music service.

DenholmElliot1 · 10/09/2022 16:30

Mrspeanuts · 10/09/2022 15:42

Ok I can see how this has come across as impolite- surely her response was OTT though?

Nah, she wasn't OTT she just wasn't taking any shit from you. Why would she when there's a shortage of violin teachers anyway.

IrisVersicolor · 10/09/2022 16:32

Your message was a bit snippy but I don’t think it justifies the response of stopping feedback, that’s just unprofessional. I’d find another teacher.

Braveheart35 · 10/09/2022 16:33

'But surely it’s unprofessional to be anything other than polite and courteous to paying customers?'

Surely it's the job of a parent to facilitate a good working relationship with their child's teacher.....

viques · 10/09/2022 16:35

Mrspeanuts · 10/09/2022 15:48

I had also said that I was concerned that a couple of lessons had been missed at the end of last term, she was quick to respond with that’s how many weeks were on her schedule and if I am dissatisfied then I should take it up with the music service.

I only wanted a bit of communication! She sounds really defensive to me

In the same email? Oops.

Hercisback · 10/09/2022 16:35

You were rude. You could have asked a question rather than make the statement you sent.

It sounds like someone has missed sending you all the information about periapetic music lessons. They don't usually run for every week of the school year. Periapetic teachers sometimes take term time holiday too (depends on their contract).

5zeds · 10/09/2022 16:35

Do you not have access to the schedule?
surely this is the issue and the teacher could have explained where and when the information is made available to parents. She chose instead to make communication harder. Poor practice.

IrisVersicolor · 10/09/2022 16:36

Mrspeanuts · 10/09/2022 16:14

No I’m Asian

I don’t know where in Asia you’re from but Chinese and HK Chinese in particular can be very direct, it’s a cultural thing.

I think her response was way OTT and unprofessional.

The quality of instrumental teachers in primary schools is fairly low. If she were good she’d have her own piano studio. If DD is keen I’d find someone else.

TeaAndBiscuitsAndWine · 10/09/2022 16:38

I am astonished both by how incredibly rude you have been, and your assumption that because you are paying for a service this rudeness is somehow acceptable. It absolutely is not. It is widely considered to be crass, unpleasant, and terribly bad form to treat people this way, especially when paying for a service effectively creates a power imbalance. Rather than giving you carte blanch to treat people badly, it imposes on you a responsibility to treat people well and with courtesy. You have majorly messed up, and need to take note.

IrisVersicolor · 10/09/2022 16:38

Braveheart35 · 10/09/2022 16:33

'But surely it’s unprofessional to be anything other than polite and courteous to paying customers?'

Surely it's the job of a parent to facilitate a good working relationship with their child's teacher.....

It was unprofessional and it’s the job of the teacher to facilitate a good working relationship as much as the parent.

The professional response would simply have been to have explained that lessons start in the second week of term as it was the result of a misunderstanding.