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How did she decline so rapidly?

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Maggiethecat · 09/09/2022 09:19

Not really trying to know the cause of the queen’s death although I have wondered but can’t get my head round that picture of her greeting Liz Truss to her death 2 days later.

Initially thought it must have been something acute like a stroke or heart but then it seems like she has been ailing (haven’t really taken note, other than palace statements of mobility issues).

Perhaps she had been bedridden for weeks and made a huge effort on Monday to fulfil her last duty but I’m inclined to think had that been the case more of her family would have been near.

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GhostFromTheOtherSide · 09/09/2022 09:45

this thread is in really bad taste.

Fact is that we all die, and there doesn’t have to be a reason. There comes a point when your life just ends because you’ve reached the end of it.

My great granny just sat down in her chair one night, gave a sigh and was gone. No cause, no illness, no sudden stroke or whatever, her heart just stopped beating.

The queen was 96. She had reached the end of her life.

But all the talk of how she “definitely had cancer” and “wanted to get shot of Boris” is really unnecessary.

Its not in bad taste at all, its part of learning about death. Which we will all have to deal with for our family members

As others have pointed out the colouring to her hand gave a clue about the condition, its not from bruising, its not the same. But because people dont know much about the body coming towards death, we need to be better educated

Why would you want to silence people talking about that?

Mummyme87 · 09/09/2022 09:57

I mean she’s 96, I think that’s why she declined so rapidly. Also she had bruising on her hand the other day which looked from a cannula which would indicate she has been poorly

ThickCutSteakChips · 09/09/2022 09:57

EmmaH2022 · 09/09/2022 09:50

People are strangely unrealistic about life and death now. I don't get it. Maybe it's just on here.

I know, all the 'ew, it's a corpse' stuff on the lying in state thread. Brits are so weird about death..

User148563 · 09/09/2022 09:58

DM was chatting to me quite happily on the phone and perfectly well, two days later I found her dead on the floor and it was clear she was sorting out clothes to go into town that day, she just died, she was 82, that way is often the best though but obviously a nasty shock

Numbat2022 · 09/09/2022 09:58

Oh for goodness sake, of course her dogs won't be put down! I imagine they'll continue to live at Balmoral with the many staff. Charles will use Balmoral like the Queen did (more or less depending on how much he likes it there).

From what I can gather it seems like she was already very unwell but suffered a sudden serious event yesterday morning. I would assume a heart attack or stroke. She held on for a while and Charles and Camilla were there as they were already in Scotland, but the others were too late (hence car rather than helicopter off the plane).

Much as I like the idea of her holding on to see off Boris Johnson, I imagine it was more a sense of duty that she had one final appearance to perform.

Neolara · 09/09/2022 09:58

randomsabreuse · 09/09/2022 09:26

Set a mental deadline (see off Boris for want of a better phrase) then thought "job done". It's not uncommon for people in failing health to hold on against the odds for a much anticipated event (Christmas, Wedding) then die shortly after.

I can imagine the Queen not really wanting Boris to do all the formal bits around her funeral and probably wanted to make very sure that the handover happened. Obviously I don't know this but seems highly possible.

This is exactly what I thought.

Fififelix · 09/09/2022 09:59

To be honest shes had a really good death. I work in nursing it's not normally the way at that age. People are bed bound, they literally waste away every bone visible incontinent, dysphagia need turning it tends to be drawn out. The fact she was standing and shaking Liz Truss hand two days before was brilliant. I hope I go out like the queen.

Jconnais1chansonquivavsenerver · 09/09/2022 10:00

As others have said, she was 96 and nobody lives forever! It seems as if it was a really good way to go, she did her duty, in her right mind, to the end and I do hope she went peacefully and painlessly. I too have watched someone with dementia decline over quite a long period, and believe me, that is not a way to go.

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Numbat2022 · 09/09/2022 09:58

Oh for goodness sake, of course her dogs won't be put down! I imagine they'll continue to live at Balmoral with the many staff. Charles will use Balmoral like the Queen did (more or less depending on how much he likes it there).

From what I can gather it seems like she was already very unwell but suffered a sudden serious event yesterday morning. I would assume a heart attack or stroke. She held on for a while and Charles and Camilla were there as they were already in Scotland, but the others were too late (hence car rather than helicopter off the plane).

Much as I like the idea of her holding on to see off Boris Johnson, I imagine it was more a sense of duty that she had one final appearance to perform.

I'd imagine the corgis will go onto have a better life than most of the UK population to be blunt.

newgraduate2022 · 09/09/2022 10:01

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theworldhas · 09/09/2022 10:01

I think it is quite possible they recorded two separate clips say a week or even a couple of weeks ago of her receiving Sunak and Truss. Delete the one not needed, pretty straightforward. No papers are signed or visible on the tv clips it’s just a bit of theatre and symbolism.

CaveMum · 09/09/2022 10:01

@MarshaBradyo I was being tongue in cheek, but let’s face it that would have been her style - neither she nor her late husband suffered fools gladly.

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CaveMum · 09/09/2022 09:39

I believe she hung on to get shot of Boris - once the promise of him going earlier in the summer was there you’d do your darnedest wouldn’t you? I mean who’d want that buffoon representing you as one of the chief mourners or reading a eulogy?

I wouldn't be surprised.

KentuckyDerbyandJoan · 09/09/2022 10:01

Badger1970 · 09/09/2022 09:52

Purpura under the skin is so common in elderly people, my Dad's arms are covered in it and he's 82. Doesn't mean a cannula was there at all.

I used to work in a nursing home, and we'd often tuck people into bed who were perfectly themselves and then find them gasping for breath in the morning... dead by lunchtime. At that point, families were called in pronto. Perfectly normal and actually a lovely way to go than weeks of slow organ failure.

‘gasping for breath’, hardly ‘lovely’.

hewouldwouldnthe · 09/09/2022 10:02

It's quite common for the spouse of someone who died to decline rapidly. Losing Prince Phillip was devastating for her.

KyaClark · 09/09/2022 10:02

My grandpa died halfway through eating his lunch!

I don't think he liked what they were serving that day.

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Change123today · 09/09/2022 10:03

My Grandad ate his supper had his usual post eating snooze in his chair. He didn’t wake up from it.
He did have cancer but wasn’t overly poorly from that, it did feel very sudden as we thought we would see a deterioration. It gives me comfort that I feel it was his choice in his favourite place (the chair!) after his favourite meal. My Nan said she heard a sigh and just sat with him for an hour or so.

Kind of hope the way I want to go , calmly.

hewouldwouldnthe · 09/09/2022 10:03

I hope they put 'old age' on her death certificate. What better way to go after a long life than to just sleep and not wake up.

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Fififelix · 09/09/2022 10:04

KentuckyDerbyandJoan · 09/09/2022 10:01

‘gasping for breath’, hardly ‘lovely’.

I think you don't know much about death. A quick decline is the absolute best way to go. You can give supportive medication and oxygen to ease the suffering. I would much rather have that than a long drawn out death.

randomsabreuse · 09/09/2022 10:05

I'm not sure it was so much "bleugh Boris" as being utterly determined to get the new PM officially in without any distraction. Sense of duty rather than revenge, although not giving Boris an option to delay could have been a motivation too.

If she saw the PM handover as her last duty that was important to her after the Jubilee this summer, then that would fit the combination of unexpected and inevitable that started with the Duke of Edinburgh's death.

girlmom21 · 09/09/2022 10:05

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Nobody is saying she had cancer.

Nobody knows what she died from but PP's are right - it was probably just old age.

Working at 96 takes it out if you

Fififelix · 09/09/2022 10:05

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Of course she was close to him they came from a different time where that was allowed. There was rumours about her and her racing manager. They were each others life companion, the marriage was mostly a very happy one..

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