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To be sad that Queen has died but can't wait for the sycophancy to be over

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bedtimestoriesforbears · 08/09/2022 21:00

I am no royalist but like many in the same position I am truly moved by today's historical news

It is a "once in a lifetime" moment for many of us and I am going to admit that despite strong Republican views I surprised myself by being knocked sideways by news

Not that it wasn't expected and that the Queen hasn't had a good life but by the sheer magnitude of what is happening

However other threads seem to be dismissing the fact that we can feel both - sadness that an elderly individual who was "known" to all of us has died and an unwillingness to join in the "grief jamboree".

I feel like I did when Diana died - I am struggling to recognise the grief others are manifesting and the absolute deferential attitude present here

I feel like this will just build and build and we will be exhausted by end of it

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JubileeTissues · 08/09/2022 21:38

The poem is awful. Social media desperation at its worst.

The first word is spelt wrong...it just happens to be the name of her husband. Spelt wrong. Then follows a load of made up shite. Vile.

bedtimestoriesforbears · 08/09/2022 21:38

@BonnesVacances

So if I had said this tomorrow you would have been A-OK with it all?

I am not being goady about the Queen but about all those who appear to have absolutely left their critical thinking skills at door and think any discussion is disrespectful

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CaramelTwirl · 08/09/2022 21:38

MN will be full of competitive grieving. Anyone not sobbing and shaking will be told how disrespectful they are.

TurquoiseJungle · 08/09/2022 21:38

I'm sad and love the royals. It's the end of an era and hard to imagine a life without the queen. She was an incredible woman and we always imagined a day Charles will be king, but it seemed abstract and far off.

However, I do find the messages I have seen from some on Instagram etc bizarre. Fair enough be sad, celebrate her life and recognise she was incredible. But when it switches to almost making it a highly personal loss I find hard. It is also hard that this will absolutely dominate life.

I guess it does reflect her impact. And I think my feelings about those over projecting or being more emotional than me are also my personal feelings about death and grief. I am not a 'displayer' and from a less emotional family.

Culldesack · 08/09/2022 21:39

bedtimestoriesforbears · 08/09/2022 21:36

@Culldesack

You are unhinged - where have I been disrespectful?

Unhinged? The irony.

gnilliwdog · 08/09/2022 21:39

From what I can tell the queen herself would have disliked a mawkish display of grief. She seemed quite stiff upper lip and let's get on with it. I feel most sad that her last duty was to shake Truss' hand.

YourLipsMyLipsApocalypse · 08/09/2022 21:40

I think tomorrow is fine. I mean, if I post links to the stories about the head of the RF secretly lobbying parliament to hide their wealth, and to escape climate change legislation in Scotland tomorrow it'll be a welcome debate I'm sure.

CandyLeBonBon · 08/09/2022 21:40

gnilliwdog · 08/09/2022 21:39

From what I can tell the queen herself would have disliked a mawkish display of grief. She seemed quite stiff upper lip and let's get on with it. I feel most sad that her last duty was to shake Truss' hand.

Poor love had to deal with Bojo and Truss on the same day.

CaramelTwirl · 08/09/2022 21:41

CandyLeBonBon · 08/09/2022 21:40

Poor love had to deal with Bojo and Truss on the same day.

Enough to finish anyone off really.

Saynotothefishtank · 08/09/2022 21:41

I know what you mean OP, but I don’t think it’s deferential exactly. Mass emotion and symbolic events are weird. When Diana died my friend sat outside Kensington Palace and cried all day. I didn’t know you cared about Diana, I said. I don’t, he said, but I’ve been so depressed for ages and it’s wonderful to be able to finally just let it all out in public.

To me the Queen’s death feels like it marks the end of an era in which Britain was highly respected and powerful with many powerful allies. Today’s event brings a lot of other things into focus.

gnilliwdog · 08/09/2022 21:41

@CandyLeBonBon Now that was just inhumane.

Culldesack · 08/09/2022 21:41

gnilliwdog · 08/09/2022 21:39

From what I can tell the queen herself would have disliked a mawkish display of grief. She seemed quite stiff upper lip and let's get on with it. I feel most sad that her last duty was to shake Truss' hand.

I feel sad that you have to bring your obsession with the Tories into the death of the Queen. You're not the first one to have done it and I know there will be plenty more.

minou123 · 08/09/2022 21:42

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/09/2022 21:31

I hope the over zealousness doesnt take hold. Or people criticising others for not following supposed mouring "protocol "

This. It was met with genuine anger and aggression if you didn't emote properly about Diana at the time. Very odd.

Yes, thank you @MrsTerryPratchett you've explained it better than me.

Even now on the numerous MN threads today, I've seen posts which, if you dont display the required levels of grief or sadness, you are accused of being "tactless", "cold hearted", "not respectful".

It's at times like these, people start making up "protocols" or "correct standards to display mourning" and god help you if you don't meet them.

I don't mind if people are very upset or grieving for The Queen and I will respect your emotion. But, kindly, it doesn't make me weird if I don't have those same emotions.

Rubysmama77 · 08/09/2022 21:43

Topgub · 08/09/2022 21:31

Yanbu.

I'm not sad.

Think it's a bit weird people are actually devastated

She was a very rich, very old woman who lived a life of unbelievable privilege

And now we'll need to watch lots more of tax payers money being wasted

Exactly this!! And then there's the fact that she 'paid off' the woman her son paedophiled!! I'm actually amazed that literally no one has paid any reference to that!

puddingandsun · 08/09/2022 21:43

I saw a poem. It had the possessive apostrophe used incorrectly in a couple of places, which doesn't speak well for the poet.

Doesn't stop people reposting it though.

I did think I can take a break from adding reels on my business page for the next couple of days. Phew.

PerfectPictureFrame · 08/09/2022 21:43

My incredible mum died suddenly 18 months ago and having never before experienced the agony of grief, I'm now pretty flexible when it comes to letting other people experience theirs. Death of someone you love is incredibly personal and changes you in ways you can't expect.

If the nation wants to mourn for 11 days or more, let them. If you don't like it, switch off.

Sooner or later, if you love, grief will touch your life. Let others grieve as they want to.

Culldesack · 08/09/2022 21:44

Rubysmama77 · 08/09/2022 21:43

Exactly this!! And then there's the fact that she 'paid off' the woman her son paedophiled!! I'm actually amazed that literally no one has paid any reference to that!

Unbelievable

TitInATrance · 08/09/2022 21:45

JubileeTissues · 08/09/2022 21:38

The poem is awful. Social media desperation at its worst.

The first word is spelt wrong...it just happens to be the name of her husband. Spelt wrong. Then follows a load of made up shite. Vile.

And the apostrophes. Distressed me much more than any of the rest of it, I’m afraid.
Dismayed that her last official act seems to have been to confirm Liz Truss as PM … nobody deserves that as a swan song, except perhaps BJ

MarshaMelrose · 08/09/2022 21:45

I loved the queen. I've never known anyone to be head of state. I think she did a fabulous and held the respect of people around the world. As they came and went, she just stayed.
I thought all this yesterday and I'll think it all tomorrow. I don't think I'm being sycophantic but I don't care if people think I am. I'm very sad tonight.

sagalooshoe · 08/09/2022 21:46

Having the same exact news on over and over again on a 10 minute loop on multiple channels doesnt actually add any eaning, value or impact to the event. It's just repetitive, desensitizing and cheap.

Roominmyhouse · 08/09/2022 21:47

On a human level I feel sad for a family who’ve lost their mother, grandmother etc. But I can’t be upset about a 96 year old I didn’t know dying.

I get it’s the end of an era and she was in place for a long time etc but I think sometimes people go over the top and seem to be competing as to who can display the most grief.

Culldesack · 08/09/2022 21:47

TitInATrance · 08/09/2022 21:45

And the apostrophes. Distressed me much more than any of the rest of it, I’m afraid.
Dismayed that her last official act seems to have been to confirm Liz Truss as PM … nobody deserves that as a swan song, except perhaps BJ

I didn't think it would be long before another one would prove me right. So predictable. How the death of somebody can bring out the most vile of people.

Nat6999 · 08/09/2022 21:47

I don't feel sad, she lived a very privileged life & lived to a good age, I'm looking at it as a part of history & a historic event. My mum's friend came round to see my mum this afternoon before the announcement & I was sat talking to her & my mum about their memories of when the King died & the Coronation of the Queen.

KimberleyClark · 08/09/2022 21:47

sagalooshoe · 08/09/2022 21:46

Having the same exact news on over and over again on a 10 minute loop on multiple channels doesnt actually add any eaning, value or impact to the event. It's just repetitive, desensitizing and cheap.

I couldn’t agree more.

Americano75 · 08/09/2022 21:49

Qwerkie · 08/09/2022 21:08

Yanbu - there’s an awful poem making the rounds on Facebook, some maudlin shite about Phillip tapping her on the shoulder and them going to heaven or something

Riddled with spelling, grammar and punctuation errors to boot. Cringeworthy stuff.