The Queen ‘under medical supervision’ Part 3

[Festoonlights]

A continuation from thread 2. This is a place to mourn HM Queen Elizabeth II with respect and compassion, and to share our thoughts and feelings. RIP Our Wonderful Queen.

Carolean Era was Charles II
Caroline Era was Charles I.

Bloody weird word and spelling.

Apparently the term is derived from Carolus, the Latin for Charles.

But I guess we could still be Charlies and Latin dispensed with in favour of something more modern sounding.

Yes I too feel comforted by the 17th century link - and the old traditions that are still alive today. They transcend people, even important people, and are a constant in our lives. An historical thread that runs through each one of us.

Andrew Marr on LBC was speculating about the 'Carolean' reign within an hour of the Queen's death being announced. It was quite distasteful.

I'm in my mid 50s and never once have I heard this reign being referred to as 'Elizabethan'.

Edward could not be made Duke of Edinburgh while the Queen lived because Charles inherited that title when his father died. It now merges with the Crown on Charles's accession, and it will be up to him to create Edward Duke of Edinburgh.

The Cambridge children are now "Prince/Princess of Cornwall and Cambridge so their titles have already changed. When William becomes PofW, they will likely be known as "of Wales" as William and Harry were.

Also, Archie and Lilibet are now HRH and Prince and Princess of Sussex. Charles can change that, of course.

The version I've seen everywhere has 'and seen I was asleep.'
Bloody awful.

It’s not distasteful - it’s the way it is. The Queen is dead, long live the King. The title passes immediately.
It has been an Elizabethan age, whether you’ve heard it or not.

Probably because the terms are usually used in retrospect. Georgian, Victorian, Edwardian are common terms for previous eras. I quite like the thought of being an Elizabethan.

So you think they'll read it at the funeral? 🤢

Thanks you, that's good knowledge! I always think of that era as "Restoration", I hadn't had of the "Caroline/Carolean" monikers. I hope they stick with the Latin for Charles III. Not everything needs to be modernised, and "Charlean" sounds preposterous.

Probably because the term ‘Elizabethan age’ has always been used to describe the reign of Elizabeth I. We will now speak of the ‘second Elizabethan age’.

Caroline Era was Charles I.

Hence North and South Carolina which were named for him.

That was in reply to @BitossiBlues

It definitely was called that by some people. I once spent ages flipping through a stack of 1950s magazines with it in the title — I think they were called The Young Elizabethan or The New Elizabethan — definitely that term, and I think aimed at the teen/younger adult crowd.

(Although it might of course have been a case of “stop trying to make fetch happen” and fizzled out)

It's funny, isn't it. We think of "Georgians" as covering Georges I-IV, but there was a second Georgian era with Georges V&VI that is never referred to as such, even though their eras oversaw years of massive global significance and social change. We have an "Edwardian" period, which should be the "7th Edwardian period", which in reality was very short and fairly uneventful, but seems to have taken on enough historical significance to have a distinct moniker and mental image.

I've tried looking up what we will be known as under William.

I can't find an answer.

So I'm guessing we'll be Willies.

Ha ha, the Willies! I guess there's the other use of family names. So the last William came under the Stuart era, rather than his reign being known as a derivative of his name. And there was never a suggestion of a "Maryian" era for either of the Marys or an "Anneian". I'm wondering if Edward VII's unremarkable era only has its own moniker only because of the desirability of Arts & Crafts housing?!

so the last William came under the Stuart era

You're forgetting William IV (1830-37) who was a Hanoverian.

A wee bit of me thinks she had a determination to hang on until the new PM was in office. Then almost gave up. Her job was done, time for Charles.

Yes, of course you are right @Antarcticant . I always forget him and jump from the Georges to Victoria.

@cardibach. The Queen is dead, long live the King
I was half expecting them to say it when they announced she had died. I'm sure I heard it said in some film or other.
Do you think anyone ever actually says it?

She was, quite simply, our strength and stay.

RIP Queen Elizabeth II

It has barely stopped raining all day where I am - the weather seems very apt 😢

In so many ways she was

I was very sad about this. I immigrated to the country and always thought of Britain as this stoic, hard working, resilient culture that I really loved, hence why I made this my home. And I felt the Queen embodied that and was the first representative of it you know of in other countries. When I got my citizenship I took my oath to the Queen instead of God, and it was such a welcoming, warm moment. End of an era.

It will take some time to get used to the fact she won't ever be present at events or on the telly and jokes like 'tea with the queen' will be redundant. I also hope this means Megan M can never again profit from denigrating the RF under her Maj.

Just looking back at some of the coverage from today and thinking about the timeline.

Harry was in full black suit and tie along with his security detail. William, Andrew, Edward and Sophie were not. I think Harry knew the Queen had died before he got on the plane or was told and changed en route.

Not important really but I am interested in the formal protocol on these occasions. If the Queen died earlier in the day the others would have known too but maybe decided not to dress in black as the official announcement had not yet been made.