To think that at some point people will have to say that Brexit was never a good idea

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We are sinking as a country and only a very few people are better off since Brexit. It seems to me like an experiment that hasn't worked. AIBU to think that it's odd that it's hardly mentioned as one of the reasons why everything is so bleak right now? Even Liz Truss thought it was a bad idea at the time.

I agree there are many external factors which are huge right now

We all probably have a different view and language is vague so maybe proportion is more direct. So someone might put war, climate and pandemic at 90% to 95% even of issues others might see it differently

Germany iirc is talking about recession and eurozone will be similar. US is in a better position due to energy supply.

Absolutely this.

And there was never a point at which we couldn't refuse a particular diktat or new law.

Some people definitely confuse the purely political, "oh but we had to do that" or "we would but we can't because EU..." that the government trotted out from time to time with actual fact.

Scapegoating the EU rather than owning decisions was rather popular, wasn't it.

And there was never a point at which we couldn't refuse a particular diktat or new law.

Some people definitely confuse the purely political, "oh but we had to do that" or "we would but we can't because EU..." that the government trotted out from time to time with actual fact.

Scapegoating the EU rather than owning decisions was rather popular, wasn't it.

The case of Abu Hamza and his sidekicks tells another story.

Eight fucking years to extradite him due to the EHRC blocking it. And of course it wasn't Brussels that had him in their country for all those years plotting terrorist acts against the public and inciting violence whilst a foreign court twiddled their thumbs and ruminated over his human rights.

The EU isn’t the EHRC.

This.

The UK would be a much better place if people stopped repeating rubbish and researched some actual facts.

The ECHR was a mechanism put in place to protect citizens from the potential of rogue governments. Seems like a good idea particular as a government could tell its population that it was taking back control when what it really meant was Henry VIiith powers for themselves.

My phone provider does not charge extra roaming fees in Europe. Change your phone provider, if enough people change,the companies that charge for roaming will stop. But of course, people won't change they will just moan instead.

But post Brexit (this year in fact) the government have started to reform their relationship to allow us to ignore the ECHR.

The MOJ say says it will 'set British courts free from the obligation to follow case law from the Strasbourg court in every circumstance. It will make it clear that the U.K.’s own Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter on human rights issues.'

This seems a similar sentiment to the Brexit mentality to me.

I'm not arguing the cause for Brexit btw (as I said above). IMO it's just too early to tell the outcome given that we've had covid and the energy crisis etc. Things aren't great but it was never going to be an easy start.

Find it hard not to roll my eyes at all those bemoaning the fact they can't retire to Spain anymore. Seems a bit of a first world problem tbh.

Things aren't great but it was never going to be an easy start

I think prior to the vote there was something said about it being easy and having no down sides.

If you believed that then you're likely a bit naive.

Most Leave supporters were naive and did believe it @TokidokiBarbie.

Nearly all countries with territory in Europe have acceded to the Council of Europe (and so the EHRC) with the exceptions of Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia and Vatican City.

It is terrifying that some British people think it is a good thing that our politicians are trying to leave, just because it has the word “Europe” in it.

I agree.

And the government has been teeing us up for some time now, with various anecdotes about how the EHRC has stopped them doing 'something' which is always a thing they know will get the Brexiteer/tabloid reader types frothing.