To think that at some point people will have to say that Brexit was never a good idea

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We are sinking as a country and only a very few people are better off since Brexit. It seems to me like an experiment that hasn't worked. AIBU to think that it's odd that it's hardly mentioned as one of the reasons why everything is so bleak right now? Even Liz Truss thought it was a bad idea at the time.

The forecasters have monetised this skill. They are economists, bankers etc. It is not my opinion, its what is projected by UK and international financial and economic experts.

Its what most business leaders and economists projected from Brexit, so not entirely a whim.

It's much better than being controlled by a load of unelected fools in Brussels.
To so deal with our elected fools though is another matter entirely. 🤣

Sorry just finished work
To answer your questions on why I voted for such a failures. I prepared to be flamed.

@Chevyimpala67 no point with our mp. The same mp who stood outside our hospital vowing to protect it and prevent closures of departments also voted against anything nhs and nhs pay rise.

@baconbuttieswithsauce well someone had to admit they were wrong. 😬

@feedyourheed. At the time, and a lot has happened since , immigration even though it's the foundation of this country,
Laws , felt like we were being governed by Brussels.
Yes the nhs promises. I work for the nhs and there is so much red tape.
I was torn around farming as I read so much different things around that issue.
Export and import . I naively thought that once again Britain could gain new trade deals to benefit. That this could lead to new jobs.

Now scooby doo moment.
I feel now that I have been lied to. All those figures, next slide please. What I read in the media, my own basic research.
Immigration is now worse.
Jobs are worse
Trade is worse
Nhs is a dying dog.

Yes maybe I should of done more instead of my pros and cons. My weak point is politics. I feel that I'm a cog in a wheel that's right royally fucked this country over. Sorry people.
At least I'm fucking admitting I was wrong.

aliceinshackles thank you. I really appreciate your honesty.

‘Brexit’ and ‘Monkeypox’ have both disappeared from MSM.

The pound fell to its lowest point against the dollar for almost 40 years today, making imports more expensive.

The Leave voters were warned, they put their fingers in their ears and shouted Project Fear. So we are where we are. However, it’s much easier to fool someone than convince them they’ve been fooled

No problem but I seem to be the only one who's admitted their wrong by this thread .
Thank you for being kind

It was about foreigners and taking back control and some people made money. Rees Mogg was speculating via his investment company.

Even the Minister for finding Brexit Benefits gave up looking for any and instead turned his attention to placing passive aggressive post-it’s on people desks.

We all got fucked over by the boys club. They have lined their pockets with deal after deal. And we are the ones who got stuffed.
Maybe instead of reading the doghouse threads . I should of taken more notice and asked more questions, which truthfully I did at the time. But some posters were damn right horrible and condescending in their replies.
Thus that puts people like me off asking anymore.

It wasn't about foreigners at all. That was another lie to hook in those with legitimate concerns as well as racists. It was a brilliantly effective lie.

The reality is we still have immigration, but more of those immigrants are Asian, SE Asian and African. That's why the racists here are raging.🙈

Interestingly it wasnt so much the elites as such who drove this

Business was clear that it wasnt good for us to leave

The main government and the opposition of the day were remain

But they were running scared of the power that they thought that UKIP wielded and wanted to make sure they didnt get ousted by the right wing of their own party or lose seats to UKIP.

So people like Johnson swiftly changed sides when he saw that this meant there could be an opportunity for power, the likes of rees mogg moved their operations to the EU and invested against the UK

It wasnt so much about belief, simply about what become pragmatic and convenient politically and financially for them

Cameron had the power to say, this was advisory, we've llistened, these are some proposals we are going to put to the EU about issues that have been presented over the years (although most of it was along the bendy cucumber variety), but the coward that he was , ran off leaving a vacuum.

I’m a Remainer leftie - for several reasons but not because I have a particular love for many EU policy decisions. I was sympathetic to some of the views of Leave voters, just not enough for me to vote that way.

It’s not helpful to say X was right or wrong because leavers couldn’t genuinely know what they were voting for eg. trade deals had not been negotiated and so much uncertainty. This in itself was one reason for my remain vote.

Apportioning blame should only rest with the media and political establishment.

People should read 'why great nations fail' Paul Kennedy - looking at 100s of years of history.

Biggest most fundamental reason, is that they isolate themselves.

Guess what we've done?

Whatever you do, don't let the fact that the population of India is 21 times that of the UK cloud your argument.

@Florenz

So tired of people going on about Brexit. Being in the EU wasn't of benefit to enough British people, if it was, remain would have won. For all the people going on about losing the freedom to study, work all over the EU, the amount of people that actually did that is very small, far less than the amount of people negatively affected by downward pressure on wages due to unfettered EU immigration, plus all the pressure on housing, public services etc

Maybe just maybe, if remainers had cared more about people outside of their immediate social circle, they'd have realised that a hell of a lot of people did not like being in the EU at all, there probably wouldn't have been referendum though if that was the case. Cameron only had the referendum became he thought it was a certainty that remain would win.

Brilliant post!!! You will of course get shouted down on here however, for not slathering all over the EU and singing their non-existent praises. Because the remainers (the type you see on threads like this anyway,) cannot stand ANY point of view except their own, and will just not accept that a massive amount of people wanted to leave the EU for very bloody good reasons!!!... People from all walks of life, all classes, all careers, all colours and creeds, and all education levels.

Because they got absolutely NO benefit from it whatsoever, they realised we don't need to be in it, and that the EU has outlived its usefulness and is nothing but a big boys club for the elite. A LOT of people agree with your point of view, but don't post/won't post because of the usual boring and predictable 'racist, gammon, bigot, thick, low-class brexit scum' type posts that the champagne socialists always trot out.

This is why LEAVE won, even though most people expected REMAIN would, because the leave voters were shouted down so often by the vile far left wokies and their toxic bile, that they just stopped saying anything. The silent majority won.

The same thing happened with the general elections.

The left control the media, they control the message forums, they control magazines, they control TV and film, they control twitter and facebook and instagram and social media in general...

They do NOT control the ballot boxes.

The left control the media, they control the message forums, they control magazines, they control TV and film, they control twitter and facebook and instagram and social media in general...

Like that popular left wing publication the Daily Mail

The left control the media? On what planet?

the leave voters were shouted down so often by the vile far left wokies

Much of the 'far left' supported (and still support) Brexit. Have you never heard of Lexit?

And as for the rubbish about the left owning the media - give me a break. Honestly, you can't be serious? The Mail, the Sun, the Express, the Telegraph, the BBC? Left wing??

Every bloody week the same question in a different form ..... It's getting really tiresome.

It's so annoying how you're forced to read and comment too, isn't it? Such a waste of your time. If only there was a way of ignoring threads you're not interested in.

My anecdotal (but probably quite common) experience as a truck driver supports this.

My empoyer subcontracts for a large (household name) building company on the aggregates side. They very much position themselves as an 'ethical' company but much of what goes on around the periphery is anything but.

One of the main logistics providers apparently used to pay their drivers almost £300 a day, going back a good few years. They certainly earned it, being on the road all week doing long hours and sleeping in the truck, but still a decent salary. However, the boss started slowly replacing his drivers with Romanian drivers who were happy to do the job for £90 a day. Every time a new one joined he'd get rid of an English driver a couple months later it seemed.

The main client started using them almost exclusively and I must admit I was doubtful my contract would be renewed. They were only charging a day rate of £600 per truck compared to the £800 the rest were charging (obv the gaffer could afford to do this as he was saving £200 day on each drivers wage).

Well, it's all been shaken up now! The abovementioned contractor has now had to raise salaries from £90 to £200 due to all his Romanians either going home or jumping to one of the many other better paid jobs created by the driver deficit. And nobody sleeps in the truck anymore or works for longer than 10 hours.

I'm making over £10k more a year and will be able to absolutely rake it in once I finish my operator's license and can work direct (can just hire a truck and continue with my job as normal, but I'll be making £600 a day rather than £200 - realistically £300-400 a day after diesel and other expenses).

No way would I be in this situation if there were still loads of Romanians happy to drive for £90 a day.

Piss off.

The reason there's a Brexit section (and a gender section now) is because people were getting sick of reading these threads. It takes a certain type of arrogance/attention seeking to deliberately ignore the hint and continue posting in the highest traffic areas to 'force' people to see your threads.

The only people who are still crying over it are people like you, so you may as well go and have a group sniffle in your special section.

I'm not enamoured with Brexit overall despite the massive personal benefits to myself, but it's happened and it's time to stop being a massive crybaby/sore loser. We live in a thing called a democracy and the majority have spoken.

Two conflicting posts, about how you've both made a fortune now from truck driving, and at the same time are not enamoured with Brexit and people shouldn't start threads on it. But if we hadn't had the thread we wouldn't have found out about the big boost it has given truck drivers so there's that.

Well said, my thinking exactly.