To think that at some point people will have to say that Brexit was never a good idea

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We are sinking as a country and only a very few people are better off since Brexit. It seems to me like an experiment that hasn't worked. AIBU to think that it's odd that it's hardly mentioned as one of the reasons why everything is so bleak right now? Even Liz Truss thought it was a bad idea at the time.

If only I could LIKE this post 100 X over!

I'm not crying over it. I'm bored of people pretending it's not having a negative impact on our economy. And I'm as concerned as I was before the wretched vote about Northern Ireland.

Well, I'm not making a fortune yet. Just making £45k rather than £35k. But the huge deficit of competition will no doubt make it much easier to get started as a Ltd company - main contractor are so desperate for drivers they've been helping some of them with the initial outlay involved in hiring the vehicles and maintaining them - in the long run it's better for them to cut out the middlemen like my bosses.

And there's nothing conflicting about me recognising that what's good for me isn't necessarily good for the country as a whole. It's called empathy but I'm guessing you might not be too familiar with it, given the forcing of your Brexit whinges on people who don't seem too keen to read them.

It's called empathy but I'm guessing you might not be too familiar with it, given the forcing of your Brexit whinges on people who don't seem too keen to read them.

They will never admit it. How could they?

A great harm was done to the people of the nations of the UK whilst the Rees Mogg nightmare slendermen coined it all in and moved their corporate entities to Europe.

Even that pathetic troll that takes money for saying what you pay him to (Farage - took me that long to come up with his name, sorry..) got his family EU passports immediately through his wife god love her. As he always knew he would.

We are all Europeans. But the UK is some kind of weird Arkansas now.

The UK press is predominately right wing: The Times, The Mail, The Sun, Express etc. Many of them opposed Brexit.

Brexit was far from a Left vs Right issue.

I once had a leave voter explain it to me as below (paraphrased).

'Which would you prefer? To be married to a rich man and have loads of resources but have to relinquish your independence and have him govern your actions? Or would you prefer to be independent and self sufficient but poorer in the short term?'

We joined the EEC (later EC) on 1st January 1973 under Heath, and held a referendum on it under Wilson on 5th June 1975. The EEC was a very different organisation to the EU.

We signed up to join the EU on 7th February 1992 under John Major's government. It had to be ratified by parliament, and this proved impossible for many months. Labour under John Smith was against it, and a large number of Tory Eurosceptics also persistently voted against. Major eventually got it through in July 1993 by threatening to dissolve parliament and hold a general election, thus bringing the Tory rebels onside. The treaty became effective on 1st November 1993. Incidentally, the French only ratified it after a referendum with a Yes vote of 50.8%, so the EU was very close to never existing!

Thing is @SunscreenCentral a lot of them do admit it. Maybe not as vocally as they proclaimed Leave and few Mnetters will, but IRL they are. And they, like PP are looking at how they were lied to and are rightfully pissed off about it.

It happened. Move on.

Not sure if this has been posted yet but this FT article was an interesting read - on.ft.com/3cRSfvw

I think it’s better it’s not such a spoken about political issue as people have become tired of the subject

give a few years and we can work towards re joining at the moment there would be too many responding like Brenda ‘what another one I can’t stand this’

No one likes to admit they were lied to.

Imagine how Scotland feels! We were dragged out

Nobody was lied to, they were seduced. There’s a difference.

If 99 qualified financial advisors told you not to invest in snake oil and 1 quack told you to and therefore you did, you were not lied to, you were seduced by their BS because you so wanted it to be true. You wanted to BeLeave. You are not a victim when you make silly decisions when there were more red flags that a Chinese New Year celebration being waved in your face.

Are we really self sufficient when our assets have been sold off to foreign companies and states?

But the EU was much more like being married to a rich person who respected your opinions and usually went along with your preferred approach

www.suffolknews.co.uk/bury-st-edmunds/news/hundreds-of-jobs-under-threat-as-proposed-meat-plant-closure-9272641/

It's fascinating that what's happening in many places is a direct consequence of brexit, like this firm, but its never mentioned when it's reported.

And for those who say 'it's happened, move on' Brexit is a process and it's going to keep on happening whilst the ramifications are happening.
The fact it makes some people feel uncomfortable is, quite frankly, tough.

Really? Plusnet & EE have given us roaming as usual in Italy all last week. Everything as it was at home. Free calls, texts and data as though I were at home. Who are you with?

I was a Remainer by the way, so not justifying the change.

You know this is bollovks right?

The EU is a collective that we cocreated and participated in and like any collective it relied on cooperation. We mostly got what we wanted.

Depending on your plan and where you travel to you may have charges even on EE which you would not have had whilst we were in EU

( just in case anyone read PP and assumes they will be ok )

Don't knock Arkansas. They recently voted to keep Roe v Wade I think?

Thanks @aliceinshackles ! One of my UK based relatives voted Leave. She never joins in when we discuss it online so I'm not sure if she feels Regrexit. But she recently asked me for help with birth and marriage lines in order to apply for an Irish passport.

I don't really blame people who were conned. Plus the million or two who voted against Cameron and Osborne / Austerity. P
Of course it will have benefits for some people. But there are 70 million people in Britain and they can't all be truck drivers

In political terms, it's only been 5 minutes so won't be judged yet. And for some people, it was a good idea.

Since Brexit, salaries have risen, there is a skills shortage which means some people are finding it easier to get work on their terms.
For plenty of others it's a bad thing, obviously but there will always be winners and losers from any political situation, and the winners are happy.

Plus the people who believe that full sovereignty is a good thing, will always believe that.

Piss off.

Aren't you a delight?

'But, but those nasty, nasty Lefty Wemainers are so wuuuuuuuuuude!' Waaaaah!'

Enjoy your Brexit. Hope it brings you all you dreamed of.

The negatives of Brexit are being neatly camouflaged by world events like pandemics, war in Ukraine, energy crises, and inflation.

If none of the above existed as badly as they are now, then a more honest picture of the effect of Brexit would be evident.