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To think that at some point people will have to say that Brexit was never a good idea

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heatissweet · 07/09/2022 16:34

We are sinking as a country and only a very few people are better off since Brexit. It seems to me like an experiment that hasn't worked. AIBU to think that it's odd that it's hardly mentioned as one of the reasons why everything is so bleak right now? Even Liz Truss thought it was a bad idea at the time.

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HakuSansTan · 07/09/2022 17:22

UWhatNow · 07/09/2022 17:11

You can’t possibly say that brexit has failed - we are still going through the process. Turning the ship will take time. The final analysis won’t be able to be judged for at least another 5-10 years.

What's that now??

We were told an immediate extra 350 million for the NHS, cheaper food and fucking shoes (cheers Jacob) etc. Instant trade deals and a mightily better economy.

Plus those pesky foreigners gone.

Are we to blame Covid and the war in Ukraine for the fact that the UK is in an absolute dire situation?

SofiaSoFar · 07/09/2022 17:23

UWhatNow · 07/09/2022 17:11

You can’t possibly say that brexit has failed - we are still going through the process. Turning the ship will take time. The final analysis won’t be able to be judged for at least another 5-10 years.

5-10 years 😂

Even rampant Brexit enthusiasts like Rees-Mogg have admitted it might well be 50 years before we see any benefit from it, and that's before the war and the other crises to befall us!

I mean, at least he gets to see benefits from it - already has due to his investments and tax affairs - so you can half-understand his enthusiasm for it.

But the mugs who stand only to lose severely and still proclaim their support for it are just ridiculous.

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heatissweet · 07/09/2022 17:25

Yes people were definitely not told it would be 5-10 years (plus the 6 years we've already had so 10-15?) for any benefits, at the time of the vote. So they were conned.

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Abhannmor · 07/09/2022 17:26

UWhatNow · 07/09/2022 17:11

You can’t possibly say that brexit has failed - we are still going through the process. Turning the ship will take time. The final analysis won’t be able to be judged for at least another 5-10 years.

Or maybe 50. According to Jacob Rees Mogg. Whereas Cummings just said ' who knows' or words to that effect.

Just a game to some people.

DappledThings · 07/09/2022 17:27

I still say that Brexit is the stupidest most ridiculously self-destructive thing that the UK ever did
Absolutely. It still makes me furious and profoundly sad in equal measure.

HakuSansTan · 07/09/2022 17:27

SofiaSoFar · 07/09/2022 17:23

5-10 years 😂

Even rampant Brexit enthusiasts like Rees-Mogg have admitted it might well be 50 years before we see any benefit from it, and that's before the war and the other crises to befall us!

I mean, at least he gets to see benefits from it - already has due to his investments and tax affairs - so you can half-understand his enthusiasm for it.

But the mugs who stand only to lose severely and still proclaim their support for it are just ridiculous.

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Sadly true.

Nobody ever said 'look it will mean utter impoverishment for many of you, but we will get rich off the back of your idiocy, though hey chaps, silver linings are that it may be ok for your great grand children'

FFS

AlisonDonut · 07/09/2022 17:33

DappledThings · 07/09/2022 17:27

I still say that Brexit is the stupidest most ridiculously self-destructive thing that the UK ever did
Absolutely. It still makes me furious and profoundly sad in equal measure.

When you first meet up with French people here in France, after finding out your name it is the first thing they ask you. For Brexit or against? They judge you on how you voted. And probably always will.

baconbuttieswithsauce · 07/09/2022 17:36

I have not heard a single argument given by brexiteers that makes any sense around how we as a nation are better off out of the EU. Not one. I will remain angry for the rest of my life about the fact that we were forced to leave the EU by the narcissism of Boris Johnson and a whole load of people who just wanted to stick it to Johnny Foreigner. Absolute fucking madness Angry

PermanentTemporary · 07/09/2022 17:38

In terms of Brexit benefits, at least I no longer have to be ashamed that I live in an EP constituency that voted Farage to the top of the list at every European election.

And I will say that people who voted Leave thinking that there would be upward pressure on wages... they're right, that has happened. It doesn't mean the country's not fucked, given the inevitable unleashing of multiple other negative economic forces, but it genuinely has happened.

baconbuttieswithsauce · 07/09/2022 17:39

UWhatNow · 07/09/2022 17:11

You can’t possibly say that brexit has failed - we are still going through the process. Turning the ship will take time. The final analysis won’t be able to be judged for at least another 5-10 years.

Ok then. Please can you direct us to something that is better / improved / easier since leaving the EU? Anything at all?

RudsyFarmer · 07/09/2022 17:39

How many years were we a country outside of the European Union? I know it happened in my lifetime. I don’t understand why so many people act as though we were never a country that stood alone.

aliceinshackles · 07/09/2022 17:39

I voted leave
At the time I thought I was doing right
Major regrets
There admitted it

Chevyimpala67 · 07/09/2022 17:40

aliceinshackles · 07/09/2022 17:39

I voted leave
At the time I thought I was doing right
Major regrets
There admitted it

Have you contacted your MP to say that?

These fuckers still think they've fooled you all

baconbuttieswithsauce · 07/09/2022 17:41

@aliceinshackles thank you

feedyourheed · 07/09/2022 17:44

For those of us who wanted to be free of EU law, free of the destruction of our industries (too late sadly) and increasing federalisation then it will never have been a bad idea to leave.

All remain voters care about is easy transit through the EU, not having to fill out forms etc. So many remainers don't understand what they were REALLY voting for if you ask me. Very few knew much about the EU, other than that they were besieged by media outlets telling them we depended upon it for our very survival.

feedyourheed · 07/09/2022 17:45

aliceinshackles · 07/09/2022 17:39

I voted leave
At the time I thought I was doing right
Major regrets
There admitted it

What did you base your leave vote on and what has changed your mind?

PermanentTemporary · 07/09/2022 17:45

'Stood alone'

Lord I hate that phrase. Anyway, yes we were outside the EC and not allowed in for a long time, because de Gaulle accurately thought that there would always be a substantial sector of the British people who would be unable to accept being part of a European project. Then thanks to the high number of very intelligent, ex-military personnel in Parliament and indeed in Britain who could see the economic writing on the wall and knew we needed to be part of a trading/influence superpower, we did get in.

Oh well, lucky there are no economic or military threats now to small nations.

isadoradancing123 · 07/09/2022 17:48

People were totally lied to, hence they did not vote from a place of an informed choice. The remainers did not run a campaign explaining the negatives of leaving as they were confident it would be a remain vote

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heatissweet · 07/09/2022 17:49

How many years were we a country outside of the European Union? I know it happened in my lifetime. I don’t understand why so many people act as though we were never a country that stood alone.

Just googled and it said talks started to join the EU in 1970 and we joined in 1973? so for many MNers like me we have always been in -but am not sure why that is relevant anyway? the world has moved on since the 60s Confused

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Chevyimpala67 · 07/09/2022 17:49

isadoradancing123 · 07/09/2022 17:48

People were totally lied to, hence they did not vote from a place of an informed choice. The remainers did not run a campaign explaining the negatives of leaving as they were confident it would be a remain vote

I suppose when the likes of Farage, Trump and Putin think something is a great idea I automatically go the other way.

HotPenguin · 07/09/2022 17:50

Relatives of mine say they don't care if the economy is damaged and people lose their jobs. Another said they don't care if we have a war with Europe because we won last time.

CocktailNapkin · 07/09/2022 17:51

I work with someone who voted for Brexit because he wanted to see the establishment brought down. 🙄You bring it up now and he has conveniently forgotten that he voted Leave and would have never entertained such a thing.

Beware those who have selective voting amnesia!

HakuSansTan · 07/09/2022 17:51

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heatissweet · 07/09/2022 17:52

All remain voters care about is easy transit through the EU, not having to fill out forms etc.
Not true- I feel part of Europe and had many friends from different EU countries (many of whom have sadly now left) and I enjoyed freedom of movement

So many remainers don't understand what they were REALLY voting for if you ask me.

More the case with leavers, since they were lied to

Very few knew much about the EU, other than that they were besieged by media outlets telling them we depended upon it for our very survival

Do you have evidence -I didn't hear any media outlets saying that

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feedyourheed · 07/09/2022 17:52

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Ignorance and stupidity? Oh how lovely you are!

The fact it is true must really bite you. Is that the real reason you are ignoring it?