To think that at some point people will have to say that Brexit was never a good idea

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We are sinking as a country and only a very few people are better off since Brexit. It seems to me like an experiment that hasn't worked. AIBU to think that it's odd that it's hardly mentioned as one of the reasons why everything is so bleak right now? Even Liz Truss thought it was a bad idea at the time.

I was alive in the 70s. It was shit.

Oh and despite the laughable comments from some about brexit supporters being thick/badly educated, most people I know who voted for brexit are very intelligent, well educated, successful people - myself included

Modest aren't you! Did you learn much about the EU in school? It's progressive roots and aspirations?

@feedyourheed Because it made us stronger and greater. If you want to trade you need agreements, if you want cheaper goods, you need to be offering a large market (population). Being a part of the largest single market in the world made us rich and powerful. We are now weak, irrelevant and getting poorer by the day.

Well yes, there were a lot of really obvious lies. I think there was a lot of racism involved in the leave vote. I am over 65, as are most of my friends, and none of us voted leave.
It was sheer stupidity not to have made a mandatory level of majority vote, like 80%. The whole thing was a farce.

I hate to say it as I am not a brexiteer (voted remain) but I actually think one positive (for the long term) has come from it which is the reduction in the massive oversupply of labour we had, which was keeping wages artificially low. It will take several years to take hold but suddenly employers are having to court employees and eventually they will have to realise they need to offer higher salaries now that there aren't queues of people willing to work for incredibly low wages at the bottom, which keeps wages low for everyone. We need a system more like Australia where we have shortage occupations that are open to economic migrants.

Sorry?

52% of the 37% of people who voted voted leave.

Hardly a ringing endorsement?

In an ADVISORY referendum

Amazing how quickly folk forget that quite important word....

I don't think it was racism it was xenophobia which is not the same thing. Many economic migrants from within the EU came from places like Poland and were white.

That was to @MarshaBradyo btw

There is this fallacy that EU countries care. It was a massive topic pre Covid.

Nobody cares now. I live in the EU and it may come up at a dinner party...

Other than that it is utterly inconsequential. The EU moved on.

‘Give over’ er ok, I don’t need to point you in the direction but maybe leave voters will

I rarely see them post and yes I’m interested to know if they regret or not and why

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Yes, I suppose that is what I meant.

No need to apologise or maybe there is. Yes that’s why I said of those who voted, not everyone did

Yes it was advisory - imo a mistake to not keep it as advisory or to make bar higher for a big decision

Jesus wept that is depressing

But you are.

You displayed it for all to see.

Again, I ask you, what laws and regulations are we now free from having left the EU?

Don't post crap now...
Be serious.
List them rules we are now no longer having to be slaves to..

I want to celebrate.

I posted a reasoned positive of Brexit and it's been ignored 👌 as is often the case when you post a valid point on Mumsnet, that people did not want to hear 😂

And I applauded you.

We need more!!

It's already started - supermarkets all put their pay rates up because they were struggling to recruit staff. And that was before all the inflation stuff and high energy prices had escalated the way they have.
The labour market operates on supply and demand and if there is an oversupply it's very hard for workers to demand higher wages because they are easily replaceable.
The reason the rail companies are struggling as much as they are with strikes is because they can't plug the gaps with cheap agency staff like they used to, which transfer some power back to workers.
If it's hard for your employer to replace you, your labour can command a higher price.

I’m assuming this post is to me no sure so maybe not

Imo people get put off posting as they just get so much flack back - stupid etc. there’s so much anger it becomes a pile on. So these threads are more one sided than the actual vote

I don’t know if majority leave voters regret it or not because they probably just avoid mn on this topic

But KweenieBeanz your 'positive' is higher wages - which has clearly not happened yet that's why we're having all the strikes. So it's a thing which could happen but that's all it is. And we could have worse off workers rights. I think we'll just end up with immigration to do the jobs eg from India anyway, rather than everyone suddenly getting paid more. High wages all round wouldn't make us competitive abroad and I somehow doubt it's what the Tory party was aiming for

I don’t know if majority leave voters regret it or not

But does that matter so much? the point is it's a disaster and I was saying at some point this will have to be accepted surely.

The only good thing about this thread is the very obvious anger and bitterness festering in some of the nastier posters. It is well deserved.

This is a good example of the backward mentality that caused the problem

Talking about EU law as something separate and distinct from the UK when we were part of the EU, not separate to it, we had the veto, we were involved and part of th founding and basic contributors to EU law, the EU was us and we were the EU.

The EU is a huge trading bloc that has huge advantages and conveniences for its members. Only fools want to actively lose those advantages and conveniences for some transient concept of 'freedom' which means freedom to flounder and fall by the wayside in politics, economics and social powers.

Roll on the rejoin campaign although it will be gutting that we wont re join with the same advantages we had, we will have to join the euro and wont have the veto anymore