To think that at some point people will have to say that Brexit was never a good idea

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We are sinking as a country and only a very few people are better off since Brexit. It seems to me like an experiment that hasn't worked. AIBU to think that it's odd that it's hardly mentioned as one of the reasons why everything is so bleak right now? Even Liz Truss thought it was a bad idea at the time.

Many past retirement age voted leave.

My family affected by Brexit but this story breaks my heart.

older colleague (uk) in long distance relationship with partner in eu country. They both fly back and forth and the idea was to chose which country they’d retire into together. Worked brilliantly for years. Brexit now means that they probably cannot live together now as they are about to retire. Very sad.

my ex thinking of returning to his home country and nothing for him here now and that’s devastating for our dc.

@WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps You sound really gloating and defensive. What are the benefits to you and the UK as a whole, that you are "enjoying"? I get that Brexit and nationalism elicit very emotional reactions, (which I personally believe is why the Leave campaign edged it, helped by some illegal social media harvesting funded from --Russia-- elsewhere but intellectually, factually, evidence-based, what are the actual advantages?

Evening, all. We've already had quite a lot of reports about this thread. We realise this is a divisive topic (obvs) but can we appeal to you all to post civilly? If we have to keep deleting posts the thread will have to come down. Thanks.

But is it true, or an opinion? Why are multiple unions in a range of industries voting to strike then, if Brexit has "reset" wage levels?

Oxbridge grad here with two degrees, masters and post grad (therefore arguably not thick). And not yet 49 yr old who came from a v poor background so not a dinosaur born with a ‘silver spoon’ to skew my opinions - in fact my family are extremely stanch unionists. I didn’t vote at all as I was living overseas at the time (in a culturally very different and diverse country so hopefully not a xenophobe either!). However, had I been here, I probably would have voted leave, as I worked for a central govt institution at an international level and we had at least three divisions doing exactly the same thing (with much time wasting and confusion ensuing) thanks to EU bureaucracy and that was just in my tiny sphere of specialist work.

I also felt that as I was able to immigrate out of the EU with relative ease, actually the freedom of movement angle was possibly being overplayed.

But as I say, I wasn’t actually here to vote at the time. Which is quite the relief when I returned to awful vitriol and spite on both sides. Whatever happened to respecting one another’s experiences and opinions?

The 'benefit' of higher wages will soon be offset by rampant inflation and the predicted bonfire of workers' rights that our new PM is so keen on.

And yes, before anyone points it out, I am aware that other EU countries are also experiencing inflation. The UK is suffering very much more, however.

Not yet 40 not 49! 49 is a bit ancient 😂🙈

There's probably 48% of the country that think it's not a good idea today.

I can see a few good reasons to be outside the EU but not enough for me to vote for brexit

Its probably a hope more than a truth. It may come to pass

But its not true to say that we didnt have a scheme whereby employers can offer opportunities to people around the world/economic migrants to fill gaps in vacancies we have always had schemes like this

All that will happen is that those schemes will increase and be more utilised as someone said above there will be immigration from different areas of the world. But what UK citizens have lost is the equal ability to move across a huge number of countries and work there easily and gain experience easily.

Plus of course the huge market opportunities of 25 other countries which are not huge distances away

However, had I been here, I probably would have voted leave, as I worked for a central govt institution at an international level and we had at least three divisions doing exactly the same thing (with much time wasting and confusion ensuing) thanks to EU bureaucracy and that was just in my tiny sphere of specialist work

And that issue has been solved now, I assume?

Except that its more than an opinion isnt it, the leave voter took my rights away from me, has made me a member of a weaker country in so many respects. Has disadvantaged my life.

It wasnt democratic, it was barely legal.

Ok I think remain voters mostly won’t change original view it was a bad idea

But who else would you like to see accept it? Do you mean leave voters or more media or politicians

So tired of people going on about Brexit. Being in the EU wasn't of benefit to enough British people, if it was, remain would have won. For all the people going on about losing the freedom to study, work all over the EU, the amount of people that actually did that is very small, far less than the amount of people negatively affected by downward pressure on wages due to unfettered EU immigration, plus all the pressure on housing, public services etc.

Maybe just maybe, if remainers had cared more about people outside of their immediate social circle, they'd have realised that a hell of a lot of people did not like being in the EU at all, there probably wouldn't have been referendum though if that was the case. Cameron only had the referendum became he thought it was a certainty that remain would win.

But who else would you like to see accept it? Do you mean leave voters or more media or politicians

They can look around them and see actual evidence that it was a bad idea. I'm saying we can't as a country keep ignoring reality

But @MarshaBradyo it has been 6 years. We left the European Union and all that came with it (good and bad as wasn't perfect)

It is now demonstrably bad as a result. How do you suppose those of us so appalled by it remain silent on the off chance we can hear the leavers speak?

Do tell me and I will take it on board.

They were loud and proud post Brexit and up until fairly recently tbf.

Can you not concede it is because they can't defend it anymore... Can't produce any tangible benefits, if a single one at all?

I don't think anyone should quieten down so we can listen to 'put off' posters. Many of them bathed in their 'win' and told us all to get over it.

I for one won't get over it or shut up.

Heres another example of what I was talking about

The complete lack of understanding (although the information was very freely available and discussed) of what EU funding brought into deprived areas, the same areas that voted to leave.

Being part of and a hugely influential member of the EU was enormously beneficial to British people, large numbers of social activities, new roads, educational facilities, work/employment/rights issues, safety issues, cleaner environments, cheaper products, quicker access to goods. The list is endless.

Only the deliberately obtuse refuse to see this

At some point people might also stop making these fucking threads every few days. And they might even manage to post them in the dedicated Brexit topic.

I don’t think I’ve said that anyone has to be silent, the opposite debate is ok

I do think that responses such as stupid etc can be why these threads are more one sided than the vote

Anyway mn agreed and have deleted posts and posted that people are more civil so I guess they have same view

Tbh I doubt people who voted leave really give a shit about the opinions of those that didn't. They got what they wanted and that was that.

I wish we could have conversations about this without calling people morons. I understand the anger, I cried when the Brexit vote happened, but when we continue to make it tribal both sides just dig their heels in and no valuable conversation can happen about how on earth this happened.

Wouldn't it be brilliant if you had the freedom and ability to ignore threads you didn't like or weren't interested in? That would be so cool, wouldn't it? Maybe MN should get onto that.

What people think privately and what they will say publicly may be different. I think that no-one expected it to be anything other than a Remain vote, and never thought it would be a Leave vote. Denial will continue for a long time I expect.

The very few benefits there are from Brexit are not going to be those that we get in reality, at least whilst there is a Tory government.

Its true and Ive heard people say that they actually dont care if the country is at a disadvantage as long as we are no longer members so the price is different

I agree we need to move beyond 'sides' or who did what, and try to look at the actual reality and what it will all mean for our future. It has been rubbish so far and there's no sign that we are getting any benefits. So at some point we will have to put the past behind us and face up to reality.